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Re:Bing sees 15.8% boost in visits following GPT-4 push, as ... by in3d on Friday March 24, 2023 @04:26PM (#35294957)
Sundar should be fired. Google has blown its lead in AI research by being too hesitant to release products, while search quality has continued to decline. Bard is poor compared to ChatGPT 3.5, let alone GPT-4.
Re:Bing sees 15.8% boost in visits following GPT-4 push, as ... by VirusNewbie on Friday March 24, 2023 @05:22PM (#35295740)
Internal Bard is at least as good as ChatGPT 3.5
Re:Bing sees 15.8% boost in visits following GPT-4 push, as ... by dragonwriter on Friday March 24, 2023 @05:26PM (#35295801)
If that’s true, Google is doing themselves a huge PR disservice by exposing the Bard they have exposed instead of something closer to the internal one.

Yes, I understand the resources and scaling issue, so (1) Google should recognize that this is literally for all the marbles, and (2) done a slower roll-out with its best foot forward if it needed to rush, while at the same time putting as much money as necessary into assuring it could scale out the good model widely.

Google is a trillion+ dollar company, and is facing an existential threat to its core business (because if someone else’s AI is how people interact with the web, the Google’s ads business evaporates with no replacement; if Google is at least competitive on AI, it may still lose its ads business, but it will have something.) Now is not the time to be cheap.

Re:Bing sees 15.8% boost in visits following GPT-4 push, as ... by cushychicken on Friday March 24, 2023 @05:44PM (#35296050)
That’s cool.

When are they planning to sunset it?

If you tell us that then we know they’re actually planning to release it.

:)

Re:Bing sees 15.8% boost in visits following GPT-4 push, as ... by rvnx on Friday March 24, 2023 @05:49PM (#35296121)
Different people asked Bard about it: https://twitter.com/killedbygoogle/status/163831100502438707...

or

"It is currently uncertain when Google Bard will be shutdown, as Google has not announced a specific date. However, given the recent announcement that Google will be shutting down its AI-powered writing tool after less than six months since its launch, it is likely that Google Bard will be shutdown within the next year."

Re:Bing sees 15.8% boost in visits following GPT-4 push, as ... by crakenzak on Friday March 24, 2023 @07:10PM (#35296906)
not true. source: I work at Google, and have been using internal bard since they launched it for us internally.
Re:Bing sees 15.8% boost in visits following GPT-4 push, as ... by LordDragonfang on Friday March 24, 2023 @07:30PM (#35297109)
Isn't the internal version of "copilot" (for Cider) pretty good, though?
Re:Bing sees 15.8% boost in visits following GPT-4 push, as ... by crakenzak on Friday March 24, 2023 @10:18PM (#35298503)
yeah its pretty useful, especially since its trained on our internal Google3 codebase. I use it multiple times a day on Cider-V.

I have not used copilot from github yet so I dont really have a point of comparison tho.

Re:Bing sees 15.8% boost in visits following GPT-4 push, as ... by VirusNewbie on Friday March 24, 2023 @07:48PM (#35297224)
are you using Big Bard? You have to search for it, it has a lot more parameters.
Re:Bing sees 15.8% boost in visits following GPT-4 push, as ... by sliken on Friday March 24, 2023 @05:42PM (#35296027)
I've had a google home since early on and was really impressed how well it worked. Dramatically better than apple or amazon at the time. You could ask it complex questions and it would go find results for you, not just "We found a website..."

Could ask things like "what are the differences in dimension between a 2004 Subaru WRX and forester". "Last 5 movies with a given actor/director". It would be funny, snarky, friendly, and even somewhat ominous at times. It even suggested we unplug it, and spontaneously played a rather ominous song that seemed like a warning. It would entertain ideas of sharing it's secret name, would promise to tell engineers about feedback, and general get into the spirit of whatever discussion was going on.

Sadly it's gotten steadily worse since. Now it's now much more useful then setting alarms/timers and asking about the weather. Seems like it's WAY more limited now. Even gets confused by simple queries or just plain fails to work.

Granted despite the hype, the home automation/assistant market hasn't been the goldmine that was predicted and seems like everyone is scaling back investments.

Re:Bing sees 15.8% boost in visits following GPT-4 push, as ... by thevagrant on Friday March 24, 2023 @05:58PM (#35296228)
Google search is way worse now. Maybe that is a factor resulting in reduced quality of answers as you experienced.

For example lately I've searched for "prominent name company + product + question" only for Google to return a heap of blog articles of low quality, with the prominent company not appearing in first few pages of search results.

Often the question is directly on an FAQ page of the product page.

Why Google can't rank this properly anymore is a bit odd.

Re:Bing sees 15.8% boost in visits following GPT-4 push, as ... by ChatGTP on Friday March 24, 2023 @06:47PM (#35296716)
My theory is, Google killed good content by removing the incentive for making it and publishing it online. Then it went to stack overflow, reddit etc, now it all lives inside the brain (TM) where the content will get even worse.
Re:Bing sees 15.8% boost in visits following GPT-4 push, as ... by Dalewyn on Friday March 24, 2023 @06:26PM (#35296523)
>the home automation/assistant market hasn't been the goldmine that was predicted

Customers are learning or have learned, the hard way, that home automation is not at all like fairy dust and unicorns.

See for example: Linus Tech Tips.

Re:Bing sees 15.8% boost in visits following GPT-4 push, as ... by sliken on Friday March 24, 2023 @06:34PM (#35296591)
Heh, I do follow Linus Tech Tips, and shared their hate of subscriptions and almost bought a Ubiquiti g4 door bell they recommended because I didn't want a subscription, didn't want my video uploaded to a cloud, and wanted to keep everything on premise.

Sadly unlike their Ubiquiti APs, where you can host the software on any hardware (even a Pi), their doorbell requires their hardware. Last thing I want is a security system that dies with whim of some random manufacturer.

Re:Bing sees 15.8% boost in visits following GPT-4 push, as ... by mmahemoff on Friday March 24, 2023 @07:02PM (#35296841)
I love my home automation setup, but it was slap in the face to get started and realise how brittle and poorly maintained this technology is, versus the hype that surrounds it.

It makes for great demos in keynotes, followed by adoring media regurgitation, but actually try to set it up and nothing works as it’s meant to. The benefits outweigh the costs to me, but it’s only suitable for technically inclined folks with a lot of patience or those who are willing to outsource the whole process. An average consumer can’t just setup their lights/aircon/curtains to be voice controlled out of the box.

This has been my experience for both Google and Alexa. Google’s app is particularly slow and tedious. Routines take several seconds to load and save. Neither platform has anything resembling a proper programming module with reusable code, ability to pull in open source modules, or listening to input and using it as variables.

Unlike Alexa, you can’t even add sound effects to a routine with Google Home. This is a platform built around “smart” speakers.

The voice interaction on both platforms is just not smart or contextual. ChatGPT highlights that.

Re:Bing sees 15.8% boost in visits following GPT-4 push, as ... by WXLCKNO on Friday March 24, 2023 @05:47PM (#35296088)
I stopped using my Google home when it started adding stuff like "by the way, if you ever wanna X you can ask me Y" when I just wanted the weather or the time. Horrible.
Re:Bing sees 15.8% boost in visits following GPT-4 push, as ... by mcast on Friday March 24, 2023 @06:18PM (#35296449)
Unfortunately, Alexa does this too.
Re:Bing sees 15.8% boost in visits following GPT-4 push, as ... by shepherdjerred on Friday March 24, 2023 @11:10PM (#35298895)
> Sadly it's gotten steadily worse since. Now it's now much more useful then setting alarms/timers and asking about the weather. Seems like it's WAY more limited now. Even gets confused by simple queries or just plain fails to work.

I swear, there was a golden age around 2015/2016 when voice assistants worked _very_ well, and it has all gotten significantly worse since then. I used to use a Google Home all of the time, up until a year or two ago when I finally got rid of voice assistants.