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Re:Police sue rapper Afroman for using footage of home raid ... by eru on Friday March 24, 2023 @06:16AM (#35287148)
> It feels particularly acute in the US because of reverent attitudes to police force.

From what I can tell from the outside, people always accuse American police of being terrible. I don't see much of a reverent attitude.

Re:Police sue rapper Afroman for using footage of home raid ... by macintux on Friday March 24, 2023 @07:37AM (#35287712)
It’s a big country with wildly divergent opinions and political tribalism run amok. In rural areas “back the blue” yard signs supporting the police are widespread.
Re:Police sue rapper Afroman for using footage of home raid ... by tstrimple on Friday March 24, 2023 @07:53AM (#35287840)
From the outside you can't see all the Thin Blue Line flag bumper stickers or Back the Blue yard signs during BLM protests. The Republican Party hates government, but seems to love cops for some reason. Republicans don't trust the government, but they trust cops. Republicans generally think the government is wholly incompetent, but want them to practice the death penalty and immediately trust the police account of fatal shootings. If Republican distrust of government was consistent, we would be able to address the systemic issues found in many police and sheriff departments around the country. Since our legislature requires a super majority to pass bills, there is no opportunity to address this is in a way that will really make a difference. Instead, each locality has to find a way to influence their police departments individually with very little success.
Re:Police sue rapper Afroman for using footage of home raid ... by DFHippie on Friday March 24, 2023 @08:20AM (#35288057)
There is a consistency in Republican attitudes towards government: they trust the parts of government they feel they control and wish to destroy the parts they fear they do not control. Lionize the police and the military. Kill the EPA , NOAA, HUD, the IRS, and the FDA. The only time they hate law enforcement is when it is used to enforce a law against them, see Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Malheur Wildlife Refuge, etc. And then boy do they hate it, because they see this as disloyalty, as treason.

This attitude goes way back. It is characterological. See the Fugitive Slave Act versus states' rights.

Re:Police sue rapper Afroman for using footage of home raid ... by concordDance on Friday March 24, 2023 @09:41AM (#35288944)
Note that the Democrat views mirror the Republican ones, trusting those institutions they control and distrusting the others.
Re:Police sue rapper Afroman for using footage of home raid ... by DFHippie on Friday March 24, 2023 @11:18AM (#35290181)
There I think you need to distinguish Democrat from liberals/leftists/progressives. There are differences of opinions among the latter group. I would say the majority distrust the police and the military but see them as necessary institutions that should be reformed. The Democrats, which is to say the people who have some claim to speak for the party, profess their love for law enforcement and the military, whatever their private reservations. This is not how Republicans, the politicians, behave towards the EPA and the rest.

Also, the Democrats have never had a politician of any stature, let alone a president of their party, say "Government is not the solution to the problem. Government is the problem." That was Ronald Reagan.

In other words, you are right, the left does distrust those portions of the government it does not control, but there is an enormous difference of degree in how the two sides behave towards these portions of the government.

Re:Police sue rapper Afroman for using footage of home raid ... by mrguyorama on Friday March 24, 2023 @11:51AM (#35290747)
That's a gross mischaracterization. Democrats trust government as an institution but that does not mean democrats trust all government, it just means they think government can solve problems, as opposed to the republican projected view (though not actual view of their voters IMO) that government is inherently broken as a concept and should be reduced to absolute minimal size.

There's no inconsistency in trusting a democratic process to do mostly democratic things but thinking the lack of accountability in policing has had negative outcomes. The vast majority of democratic voters in america do not support "abolish the police' in entirety, but rather that reforms are needed.

Re:Police sue rapper Afroman for using footage of home raid ... by chongli on Friday March 24, 2023 @08:09AM (#35287968)
That’s because you don’t consume U.S.-based right-wing media. The reverence/disgust for police splits right down party lines. Team red supports the “boys in blue” but hates team blue. What a weird situation!
Re:Police sue rapper Afroman for using footage of home raid ... by marcus0x62 on Friday March 24, 2023 @08:34AM (#35288191)
More generally, if you don’t/haven’t lived in the United States (or have only ever visited/lived in a large city,) and only consume “mainstream” US-based news, like the New York Times, Washington Post, NPR, etc., you’ll get a center-left-slanted view of the United States.

The first problem with that, from the perspective of forming an accurate view of the populace, is that, as a whole, the US leans ever-so-slightly center-right[0].

The second problem is that much of our political news is a circus whereby both political parties attempt to paint a picture that the “majority” of the country is behind more extreme interpretations of their platforms — that the country leans more heavily to the left or the right than it really does. The Republican Party has been doing this for more than a generation; its a more recent phenomenon with the Democrats.

0 - https://news.gallup.com/poll/275792/remained-center-right-id...

Re:Police sue rapper Afroman for using footage of home raid ... by brookst on Friday March 24, 2023 @08:44AM (#35288293)
…unless the police are investigating Team Red, in which case they are part of the vast left wing conspiracy.

…and except when Team Red needs to justify owning military grade weapons, in which case it’s all about deterring tyranny by being prepared to shoot cops and soldiers.

It’s a very… situational reverence. Like, as long as the situation is the police attacking the correct demographics.

Re:Police sue rapper Afroman for using footage of home raid ... by mrguyorama on Friday March 24, 2023 @11:41AM (#35290573)
It's hilarious when conservatives and cops get really uppity about the 2nd amendment. Who the fuck do they think they would be shooting at if the state ever came for their guns? Or you can look at how they view the ATF, completely ignoring that every other LEO organization in the country is very very similar in structure.
Re:Police sue rapper Afroman for using footage of home raid ... by Clubber on Friday March 24, 2023 @09:49AM (#35289055)
>The reverence/disgust for police splits right down party lines. Team red supports the “boys in blue” but hates team blue. What a weird situation!

I think that's starting to break down. Conservatives are not happy with the ATF's self evaluation of congressional law right now and they are certainly an armed police force with arresting power. Also, poor people who are conservative are also on the receiving end of police violence quite frequently as well.

There are plenty of police abuse videos out there, against citizens of all colors and they're all over YouTube. The more people watch them, the more that support will break down.

Of course the other irony is some of the worst police departments are in cities run by the Democratic Party. New York, LA, Chicago, Louisville, New Orleans. The abuses aren't limited to a single party, so it's difficult to politicize.

Re:Police sue rapper Afroman for using footage of home raid ... by concordDance on Friday March 24, 2023 @09:39AM (#35288916)
What you see online is very unrepresentative. Both of people's views (which often breaks along party lines) and the actual dangerousness of USA cops (which varies wildly depending on location and department).