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Re:US bars friends over Twitter joke by drats on Monday January 30, 2012 @06:25AM (#3528276)
Has anyone done a study of how much this is damaging the tourism industry in the USA? I have 1001 places I want to go, but all those in the USA shifted down a lot lower on the list after they started a lot of the airport security/TSA measures.

Airport security stuff annoys me to no end in other places too because half of them, or more than half, seem to literally be standing around doing nothing and the other half do their jobs rudely.

Re:US bars friends over Twitter joke by reader5000 on Monday January 30, 2012 @08:15AM (#3528622)
I'm American and it turns me off from travelling. All air travel now carries the inherent risk of sexual molestation from a high school dropout. No thanks, Ill just stay home and enjoy twitter, apparently now along with 1000 US federal agents. America is getting more awesome every week.
Re:US bars friends over Twitter joke by panacea on Monday January 30, 2012 @07:37AM (#3528490)
This is just a small data-point, but I was seriously worried about visiting the US based on what I'd heard about customs and immigration there. And this is from a white 'middle-class' male living in London with no beard.

I ended up visiting anyway (I really wanted to research Philly Cheesesteaks, Maine Lobster and see the colours of the New England Autumn/Fall), but I definitely thought long and hard about it and was apprehensive.

I also made sure my medical travel insurance was solid.

Now, maybe I live in a paranoid white-male bubble that reads about this stuff, and that informed my apprehension, but I personally think it would turn off many, many people from visiting.

Re:US bars friends over Twitter joke by mseebach on Monday January 30, 2012 @08:14AM (#3528618)
Any friction will ultimately affect "conversions", although I think the friction is probably smaller that we'd think. Most people don't spend much time reading and fretting about the TSA online, so for those, standing in line for half an hour and having your passport stamped is just part of the excitement of travelling (for less experienced travelers). As a fraction of the total time and bother of intercontinental travel, it's almost negligible.
Re:US bars friends over Twitter joke by GFischer on Tuesday January 31, 2012 @06:25AM (#3532808)
"Most people don't spend much time reading and fretting about the TSA online"

That's only true for countries under the U.S. Visa Waiver, which are maybe 5% of the world's population (basically European Union and Australia).

For the remaining 93% of us, we have to think long and hard and plan far ahead before visiting the U.S., and that means being aware of all the issues or risk deportation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Waiver_Program

And yes, I believe it does affect conversion significantly, but, coincidentally, we're the poorer 93% .

Re:US bars friends over Twitter joke by mseebach on Tuesday January 31, 2012 @12:10PM (#3534126)
Sure - but the visa madness predates the TSA/terror madness if I'm not mistaken?
Re:US bars friends over Twitter joke by GFischer on Tuesday January 31, 2012 @03:28PM (#3535026)
Yes, but it was much easier before September 11. Uruguay was in the Visa Waiver program back then.

"Following the September 11 terrorist attacks, the George W. Bush Administration decided to tighten entry requirements into the United States"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Waiver_Program

Re:US bars friends over Twitter joke by kitsune_ on Monday January 30, 2012 @08:38AM (#3528696)
I decided not to visit America this year with my gf because of some recent horror stories from my friends. Instead we'll visit South Korea for a month.
Re:US bars friends over Twitter joke by GFischer on Monday January 30, 2012 @08:32AM (#3528673)
I've actively avoided the U.S. even though I still want to go, because of those same issues.

I even was a few meters from the U.S. (Niagara Falls) and avoided going because of all the visa complications and expenses plus the security measures (if it had been a given I'd be accepted I would have gone, but they don't like young unattached people saying they want to do "tourism", they expect we'll want to stay).

Re:US bars friends over Twitter joke by madflo on Monday January 30, 2012 @09:25AM (#3528891)
French national who visited Canada a few months ago here. I crossed the US/CA border with only a small backpack ( I left my luggage at the bus station ) and the US border agents after the Rainbow Bridge where fun and welcoming.

It wasn't the case in SFO, after a 12 hours flight from Paris, the agent was OK but far from welcoming.

Re:US bars friends over Twitter joke by GFischer on Monday January 30, 2012 @01:10PM (#3529867)
As a Uruguay national, I can't "just cross".

I have to apply for a visa, and at the time there was a significant chance of it being denied - and forget about being refunded, and chances of it being accepted after re-applying drop dramatically. So it isn't worth it.

I could probably be accepted for a visa now since I "settled down".

And Canadian customs and inmigration were very friendly, I don't doubt the U.S. people might be the same (though they did fingerprint my father the time he was there, and he reported a few not so friendly times, and he is a frequent visitor).

Re:US bars friends over Twitter joke by Vivtek on Monday January 30, 2012 @09:08AM (#3528810)
The Canadian side of the Falls is by far the better, anyway.
Re:US bars friends over Twitter joke by epscylonb on Monday January 30, 2012 @12:55PM (#3529800)
As I understand it, pre 9/11 air travel domestically in the USA was like hopping on a bus.

Europe had terrorist incidents involving planes long before 9/11. As a consequence air travel (domestic or international) had greater security checks but nowhere near the level we see now in America.

Here is the problem, no amount of security checks can guarantee that there will not be a terrorist incident on a plane.

Even accounting for 9/11, other terrorist incidents on airplanes and plane crashes, the likelihood of you being killed in one is very small.

But the politicians are faced with a decision, respect civil liberties and relax security to common sense levels or ratchet up security to ridiculous levels. If they do the first and a terrorist attack occurs they will get the blame.

Ultimately it is a risk problem, and it is the voters that need to tell those in charge that they understand the risk and won't blame the government for "not protecting them" if something bad happens to them.

Re:US bars friends over Twitter joke by antidaily on Monday January 30, 2012 @11:32AM (#3529382)
It's bad everywhere I've been. Europe has basically the same security measures. I was just through Schipul and Zurich.
Re:US bars friends over Twitter joke by Nick_C on Monday January 30, 2012 @08:08PM (#3531311)
> Has anyone done a study of how much this is damaging the tourism industry in the USA?

It has been reported here in Australia that the US tourism bureau (or whatever they are called) is very concerned about it. Numbers are way down over the last several years. They will be running an ad campaign this year

Re:US bars friends over Twitter joke by swombat on Monday January 30, 2012 @09:17AM (#3528857)
I've actively avoided the US because of its immigration policy </anecdotal evidence>.