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Re:Robots Have Been About to Take All the Jobs for 100 Years by akavi on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @04:17PM (#35266539)
Both "smart people have smart children" and 90% of this forum being smarter than their parents could be true if "being on this forum" was selected on intelligence.

I don't have the time to work through the math concretely, but intuitively, imagine that the intelligence of parents is normally distributed, and the intelligence of their children is a tighter normal distribution around the parents' intelligence. Set the cutoff for "participating on HN" to to some threshold. Given the right set of parameters, most of the "weight" in the aggregate child distribution above the threshold will come from the long tails of the child distributions of parents in the fat part of the parent distribution.

Re:Robots Have Been About to Take All the Jobs for 100 Years by RC_ITR on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @04:20PM (#35266572)
>the intelligence of their children is a tighter normal distribution around the parents' intelligence.

Again, this is the core fallacy of eugenics.

How many current US PhD's are the children/grandchildren of immigrants from underdeveloped countries who lacked education and worked manual jobs (or maybe even went through extended periods of unemployment)?

Re:Robots Have Been About to Take All the Jobs for 100 Years by WillPostForFood on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @04:48PM (#35266872)
immigrants from underdeveloped countries who lacked education and worked manual jobs

Why are you conflating immigrants from underdeveloped countries with low intelligence? The parents could be have been (likely were) highly intelligent, just lacking the opportunity or access to education.

The current US PhD's that are the children/grandchildren of immigrants aren't a random selection, they are the product of smart motivated parents working the system (immigration system, education system, admissions system) for and with their children.

The core fallacy of Eugenics is not that intelligence is heritable, it is that you can avoid terrible moral hazards when you try to meddle in this stuff.

Re:Robots Have Been About to Take All the Jobs for 100 Years by lnsru on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @05:25PM (#35267295)
There are enough teachers and doctors from other countries working as post delivery drivers in Germany because their education isn’t being accepted in Germany.
Re:Robots Have Been About to Take All the Jobs for 100 Years by RC_ITR on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @07:13PM (#35268370)
Sure, by no means am I trying to make some argument that immigrants or manual laborers are worse or inferior. In fact the opposite!

I'm trying to say that regardless of who your parents are, your intelligence is primarily driven by your education (and your attitude towards education), with slight variance for genetic factors.

Therefore, we should not be anxious about "dumb people reproducing en masse" (as GP was).

We should be worried about educating everyone equally and fairly.

Re:Robots Have Been About to Take All the Jobs for 100 Years by medvezhenok on Thursday March 23, 2023 @12:47AM (#35270651)
"Early twin studies of adult individuals have found a heritability of IQ between 57% and 73%, with some recent studies showing heritability for IQ as high as 80%. IQ goes from being weakly correlated with genetics for children, to being strongly correlated with genetics for late teens and adults."

I don't think 50-80% heritability should be hand-waved away as "slight variance". I think what you're talking about is the manifestations of the intelligence (i.e. you can't be a rocket scientist if you never had the chance to learn about it), but not the intelligence itself.

Re:Robots Have Been About to Take All the Jobs for 100 Years by RC_ITR on Thursday March 23, 2023 @10:26AM (#35275328)
We disagree on the predictive power of twin studies.

Also please cite actual studies rather than Wikipedia. You’ll capture more nuance.

We conclude that there is now strong evidence that virtually all individual psychological differences, when reliably measured, are moderately to substantially heritable

For example, citation 6 implies nearly every personality trait is inherited, which seems aggressive to me.

Citation 7 is a book about how the genetic links get stronger with age, which seems also odd to take at face value.

Anyway, as great a source as Wikipedia can be, I wouldn't take its summaries at face value.