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Re:Mozilla.ai: Investing in Trustworthy AI by Entinel on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @11:50AM (#35262946)
I agree with this for the most part but "just build a better browser" is naive. For starters, everyone has a different of what "better" is. I'm actually pretty happy with Firefox for the most part and I think being the company that sells safety is a good fit for Mozilla to move into.
Re:Mozilla.ai: Investing in Trustworthy AI by insanitybit on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @11:53AM (#35262994)
> For starters, everyone has a different of what "better" is.

We can all agree on some things though. I'm talking about core metrics. Performance, stability, safety. Beyond that there are some more "controversial" things like privacy, and then you have purely subjective things like UX.

When I say "build a better browser" I mean that they should take those core capabilities and invest heavily in them. Instead, one of their most promising projects, Servo, was canned "because covid" while their CEO took their largest 8 figure payment ever.

Re:Mozilla.ai: Investing in Trustworthy AI by quesera on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @12:49PM (#35263790)
Mozilla's greatest failure with Firefox is one of marketing.

It's a performant, stable, safe, and private browser.

(It lags Chrome in some potted performance tests, but it is more than adequately performant. Firefox is much better than Chrome at memory management. It never crashes. It does not steal your data. It allows you the greatest degree of privacy in any major browser. Side tabs are possible.)

But no one can compete with Google's marketing, or Apple's iOS advantage. Not even Microsoft. Certainly not Mozilla.

Mozilla has failed us in so so many ways. You mention one egregious example.

But we've failed Mozilla too. Anyone who recommends Chrome over Firefox is making a mistake detrimental to the well-being of the internet.

Not that Chrome is a bad browser. It's great. Almost as good as Firefox! Chrome has terrible tab management and chews RAM, but it's performant and secure and lovely.

But Chrome is a bad path forward for the internet, and this is important.

Re:Mozilla.ai: Investing in Trustworthy AI by hgsgm on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @03:50PM (#35266249)
Firefox is bad at browsing the web, because complex websites don't test for Firefox compatible.
Re:Mozilla.ai: Investing in Trustworthy AI by mindcrime on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @04:21PM (#35266579)
This doesn't match my experience. I use Firefox as my "daily driver" browser on my personal machine and the number of browser compatibility issues I run into over a given period of time approximates 0. It's vanishingly rare for me to encounter something that's Firefox specific.
Re:Mozilla.ai: Investing in Trustworthy AI by quesera on Thursday March 23, 2023 @12:22AM (#35270512)
Curious to hear which sites you experience issues on.

I use a lot of SaaS admin panels, of widely varying quality. In every case I can think of, the same bugs are present in Firefox, Chrome, and Safari.

Re:Mozilla.ai: Investing in Trustworthy AI by eitland on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @01:40PM (#35264483)
AFAIK

They can start by stopping to bleed the Firefox team dry (they use the income they get from Firefox to fund everything else, none of which is important).

If they promise to focus on Firefox again, and with that money they can probably hire a bunch of world class programmers. At least I think the combo of a real mission and decent pay should go a long way.

And, if they somehow get rid of their current management and apologize profoundly I and others will probably start donating again. It will also result in more users and more business in every way.

Today it seems they are paid to make the web a Chrome monoculture only with plausible deniability.