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Re:The Federal Reserve is expected to increase interest rate... by benjaminwootton on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @04:22AM (#35258252)
These rate rises are starting to feel political in the UK and US. There’s an element of strongman signalling, regardless of damage, to make up for the earlier mistake of not responding early enough.

The US markets are still well down, banks are failing, mortgages are extremely high.

Stop dishing out the pain guys, at least until all of the previous rate rises have played through The system.

Re:The Federal Reserve is expected to increase interest rate... by the_mitsuhiko on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @04:29AM (#35258300)
> These rate rises are starting to feel political in the UK and US.

They are deeply political. The interest rates would have to be significantly higher, particularly in the UK, but actually going there would do other damage. So they are trying to go as high as possible, without losing support of the businesses.

Re:The Federal Reserve is expected to increase interest rate... by blitzar on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @05:57AM (#35258859)
If UK interest rates were at their non political, independant level (~ double their current level) - the survival of the UK as a going concern would be in jeopardy and the government would step in and make the rate setters a political no longer independent body.

The governement already spends 80bn on the interest bill each year (against a budget of ~1,000bn); despite 20 years of being able to issue debt at effectively 0%.

Re:The Federal Reserve is expected to increase interest rate... by darkerside on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @06:43AM (#35259180)
Is there such a natural level for interest rates?
Re:The Federal Reserve is expected to increase interest rate... by blitzar on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @07:07AM (#35259342)
Yes, but its economic theory ... so no.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_rate_of_interest (also known as r*)

Naturally I have taken a few liberties with the theory - inflation +/- r* would be the correct rate for the economy. As a quick calculation, it wouldnt be unfair to say interest rate == inflation is a balanced monetary policy.

Re:The Federal Reserve is expected to increase interest rate... by tzhenghao on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @04:50AM (#35258453)
Oh yes, for sure! Speaking specifically about the US: Every POTUS (from both parties) during my lifetime has favored lower interest rates, cause jobs, "economy is strong" arguments - all means to look good during their term.

The Fed is now stuck in a really hard place - raise too much too fast and you get many more SVBs going belly up, posing a larger systemic risk, assuming we even "make it out of the woods". Pause / raise slowly, and you risk inflation running red hot, and people who are technically employed, live paycheck to paycheck start to rely on food banks to cover the rapid raise in cost of living - a tax on everybody.

The Fed is also fighting other dynamics like supply consequences of the Ukraine war, or energy crises, some of which are transitory, some are not. Still lots of uncertainty.

All this on top of a tug of (policy) war between an administration that favors handing out more packages, and the Fed's duty in achieving pricing stability. Can't see this ending well.

Re:The Federal Reserve is expected to increase interest rate... by lapcat on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @05:08AM (#35258566)
> Pause / raise slowly, and you risk inflation running red hot

The federal funds rate is such a blunt instrument. It's not clear to me that raising the rate is particularly effective in stopping inflation, which tends to be a complex phenomenon with multiple causes. As you say, there are "other dynamics".

> people who are technically employed, live paycheck to paycheck start to rely on food banks to cover the rapid raise in cost of living - a tax on everybody.

On the other hand, there are also people who lose their paychecks entirely due to rising interest rates. The Fed has been very public about the fact that they want to stop wage inflation in particular (which tends to lag behind inflation of other goods).

It's never been clear to me why it's a good idea to continually adjust the rate, as opposed to picking an ideal target rate and trying to keep it relatively stable permanently. It seems almost inevitable that the economy will go on a roller coaster with the fed turning the volume knob up and down. Chicken and egg problem, to mix my metaphors.

Re:The Federal Reserve is expected to increase interest rate... by mholyland on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @05:49AM (#35258805)
> It's never been clear to me why it's a good idea to continually adjust the rate, as opposed to picking an ideal target rate and trying to keep it relatively stable permanently.

That target rate depends on many things in the economy that the FED has no control over, so they adjust the knob as best they can predict, to stear the economy to their dual mandate.

They need to keep inflation low (around 2%) and employment high, but they don't control what the government does in terms of raising/cutting taxes, what world events do to supply, and production.

But you're right, it's a blunt knob to adjust when there are so many variables at play.

Re:The Federal Reserve is expected to increase interest rate... by lapcat on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @08:27AM (#35260000)
> to stear the economy to their dual mandate.

To be clear, I was implicitly questioning this. Expecting the Fed to control inflation or employment seems unrealistic, even silly.

Re:The Federal Reserve is expected to increase interest rate... by flandish on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @06:29AM (#35259081)
Could the potus “lock” prices for things required for life? (Food, housing, energy..)
Re:The Federal Reserve is expected to increase interest rate... by jandrewrogers on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @07:37AM (#35259530)
Price controls are an excellent way to quickly damage the economy in very visible ways, which makes it politically dangerous. Price controls don't happen in a vacuum and they tend to have adverse consequences.

The US healthcare system, as an example, was a direct unintended consequence of US government price controls. That was 80 years ago and the affects are still with us.

Re:The Federal Reserve is expected to increase interest rate... by AuryGlenz on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @01:47PM (#35264584)
If you'd (somehow) lock the price for housing, there's less incentive for new housing to be built. If you put price controls on food there's a chance certain foods may become unprofitable to produce, leading to food shortages.

Price controls lead to shortages and subsidies lead to price increases. It's usually best just to leave stuff alone and let the market take care of it.

Re:The Federal Reserve is expected to increase interest rate... by flandish on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @05:37PM (#35267406)
But does the market not also focus on profit and continuous expansion/consolidation? Clearly based on things like drug prices, egg prices, etc… profit is a “driving” factor, not “will this product sell.”
Re:The Federal Reserve is expected to increase interest rate... by treeman79 on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @10:36AM (#35261696)
It’s very simple. Fed needs to stop printing / creating money. High inflation has painful solutions. Pain from inflation is worse than basically any of the benefits from the extra spending government has done the last many years.
Re:The Federal Reserve is expected to increase interest rate... by toomuchtodo on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @10:37AM (#35261718)
The answer is the Fed does its job when it can (stoking aggregate demand with cheap money, destroying it when credit expansion velocity exceeds certain metrics), and Congress enacts fiscal policy instead of being useless.

If you leave it all to the Fed, everything is a nail, with the hammer being the benchmark rate. Creating too much money is not great, but poorly targeted or no government fiscal policy is equally disastrous.

Re:The Federal Reserve is expected to increase interest rate... by toomuchtodo on Friday March 24, 2023 @12:25AM (#35285074)
Re:The Federal Reserve is expected to increase interest rate... by Panzer04 on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @05:09AM (#35258569)
Half the point of raising rates like this is to signal to everyone that inflation is a priority and will be addressed, with the hope of killing off expectations of further inflation (which can be a feedback loop).

Ultimately none of the measures you mention are really relevant to inflation, as far as the Reserve would be concerned. CPI is.

The US probably has it the worst because they subsidise fixed 30y mortgages, which you pretty much can't get anywhere else on the planet because the terms of such are so insanely generous to the holder. These insulate a massive portion of the US population from immediate effects of rate rises, so the US likely has to hit harder than most other countries for the same effect on inflation.

Re:The Federal Reserve is expected to increase interest rate... by jacquesm on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @05:23AM (#35258652)
> they subsidise fixed 30y mortgages, which you pretty much can't get anywhere else on the planet

https://www.rabobank.nl/particulieren/hypotheek/hypotheekren...

5.44% right now, still well below the US rates (~7%).

Re:The Federal Reserve is expected to increase interest rate... by jdlshore on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @02:02PM (#35264816)
I can’t read that, but one of the unique features of the “standard” US 30-year fixed rate mortgage is that there’s no penalty for early payoff. As a result, it’s easy to refinance when rates go down, which is almost certain to occur during the 30-year period. This capability is priced in to the rate.
Re:The Federal Reserve is expected to increase interest rate... by fomine3 on Friday March 24, 2023 @03:05AM (#35285931)
Just introduce: "Flat 50" (フラット50) is a thing in Japan
Re:The Federal Reserve is expected to increase interest rate... by dageshi on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @06:11AM (#35258958)
The only way to really kill inflation is strongman signaling. The market has to believe you are willing to endure the pain and keep raising rates in order to kill inflation.

And the mistake earlier was basically propping up the world economy during covid. I don't know exactly what else they could've done?

Re:The Federal Reserve is expected to increase interest rate... by flandish on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @06:28AM (#35259071)
We could also stop sending so much to other nations currently at war, making them proxy wars for the US.
Re:The Federal Reserve is expected to increase interest rate... by dageshi on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @06:47AM (#35259212)
You could, it wouldn't make a bit of difference to inflation in the US so I'm not sure why you would?