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Re:Google urges Android phone users to switch off Wi-Fi calling by mikepurvis on Monday March 20, 2023 @10:10PM (#35241706)
I guess, but it sure is nice that on Apple hardware you generally don’t need to worry about doing this calculus because they deliver updates in a timely manner to even five year old devices.

It bums me out that them doing this hasn’t been effective in shaming everyone else into following suit.

Re:Google urges Android phone users to switch off Wi-Fi calling by barbazoo on Monday March 20, 2023 @10:17PM (#35241756)
According to Wikipedia the Pixel 2 received security updates for less than 3 years. None of their devices got more than 3 years 3 months of updates. That should be illegal honestly, couldn't be more clear that they don't care about sustainability.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Pixel

Re:Google urges Android phone users to switch off Wi-Fi calling by jay_kyburz on Monday March 20, 2023 @10:46PM (#35241943)
If you could demonstrate harm from a vulnerability, you could probably ask a court for some compensation.

Just like if your lawnmower exploded with a known flaw, you would sue the lawnmower manufacturer.

Re:Google urges Android phone users to switch off Wi-Fi calling by jvolkman on Monday March 20, 2023 @11:49PM (#35242348)
Qualcomm's lack of support for older chipsets has been blamed for the short lifecycles of these phones. Pixel 6 and 7, which don't use Qualcomm SoCs, both get at least 5 years of security updates.
Re:Google urges Android phone users to switch off Wi-Fi calling by mikepurvis on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @12:17AM (#35242501)
Google is ten times the size of Qualcomm— there's no way they wouldn't be able to extract those commitments upfront.
Re:Google urges Android phone users to switch off Wi-Fi calling by jvolkman on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @12:34AM (#35242602)
Google is, but most of Google isn't (wasn't) purchasing SoCs from Qualcomm. Its hardware division is tiny.
Re:Google urges Android phone users to switch off Wi-Fi calling by pjmlp on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @03:10AM (#35243301)
I still remember when phones did not receive any updates, and the few lucky models required developer tools to manually upload the firmware updates, which most of those few selected models only got one in their lifetime.
Re:Google urges Android phone users to switch off Wi-Fi calling by mikepurvis on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @08:02AM (#35245049)
Not sure if you’re referring here to the BlackBerry era or right back to side-sliders and razr flips, but either way, both the stakes and the attack surface were way lower back when there were no apps and phones really were just for calling and texting.
Re:Google urges Android phone users to switch off Wi-Fi calling by pjmlp on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @10:02AM (#35246231)
Brew, Symbian, Java ME and Windows CE/ Pocket PC, Palm era.

Plenty of apps and networking in Europe and Asia.

Re:Google urges Android phone users to switch off Wi-Fi calling by mikepurvis on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @11:43AM (#35247818)
Fair, okay— as soon as email, payments, or banking is involved then you have a juicy target and you need a device that's secure end-to-end.
Re:Google urges Android phone users to switch off Wi-Fi calling by ryukafalz on Monday March 20, 2023 @10:29PM (#35241832)
The iPod Touch Gen 7 lasted just under 3 years from release. They may be better than many others but I just got bit by that one.
Re:Google urges Android phone users to switch off Wi-Fi calling by mikepurvis on Monday March 20, 2023 @11:10PM (#35242103)
That is unfortunate. Certainly the trend has been for them to lengthen the support window over time— see this article for a decent summary: https://www.macworld.com/article/675021/how-long-does-apple-...

I wonder if Apple views the "iPod" branding as being more associated with gaming and consumption and therefore less important from a security standpoint. I don't think I necessarily would agree with such a stance when the exact same hardware can carry sensitive stuff like a password manager, banking and medical apps, and so-on. But I imagine their telemetry showed that that overwhelmingly wasn't the case, so it was easy not to prioritize it.

Re:Google urges Android phone users to switch off Wi-Fi calling by saagarjha on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @02:52AM (#35243218)
No, it's more that Apple has always released iPod with older chips, and in this case it also decided to discontinue that product line, which meant that they dropped software support for it relatively soon.
Re:Google urges Android phone users to switch off Wi-Fi calling by GeekyBear on Monday March 20, 2023 @11:41PM (#35242300)
Every flagship iPhone since 2011 has gotten at least five years of both OS updates and security updates, with some newer devices (including the $399 iPhone SE) getting as many as seven years.

Even after official support completely ends, Apple tends to go back and issue patches for active exploits. The nine year old iPhone 5s just got another security update a couple of months ago.

Re:Google urges Android phone users to switch off Wi-Fi calling by gcanyon on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @12:30AM (#35242582)
This may be a special case: "With the release [of iOS 16], Apple dropped support for iPhone and iPod Touch models with A9 and A10 Fusion chips (the iPhone 6S/6S Plus, the 1st gen iPhone SE, the iPhone 7/7 Plus and the 7th gen iPod Touch) due to hardware limitations and Chinese government's border stringent in response of COVID-19 pandemic." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history#iOS_16_/_i...
Re:Google urges Android phone users to switch off Wi-Fi calling by mlyle on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @01:30AM (#35242850)
> The iPod Touch Gen 7 lasted just under 3 years from release.

It was released May 2019, and it just received its latest security update (15.7.3) January 23, 2023. Presumably that is not the last security update for iOS 15.

Re:Google urges Android phone users to switch off Wi-Fi calling by mikepurvis on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @08:06AM (#35245087)
That’s an important note— getting the latest iOS is nice, but Apple continues to patch the 3-4 most recent versions.

I’m not aware that Android gets anything like this, even in the era of Google Play Services.