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Re:South Korea has the lowest fertility rate, with lessons f... by chaostheory on Monday March 20, 2023 @06:25PM (#35239694)
Adapting to them is one way of putting it. The main problem is that our socialist programs such as social security and Medicare can’t survive when the population isn’t growing the right way ie working adults must drastically outnumber retired seniors
Re:South Korea has the lowest fertility rate, with lessons f... by mytailorisrich on Monday March 20, 2023 @06:43PM (#35239897)
An aging population is unavoidable just by the simple fact that population growth has to stop at some point. The huge population growth we've seen is unique in history and we'll go back to a more stable population (it's already starting) BUT with low birth rate/high life expectancy instead of high birth rate/low life expectancy as before.

Socialised (not necessarily socialist) systems are the best bet to cope but there must be an epiphany that this requires drastic changes, one of them being to go all in to maximise productivity.

Re:South Korea has the lowest fertility rate, with lessons f... by chaostheory on Monday March 20, 2023 @11:49PM (#35242350)
> Socialised (not necessarily socialist) systems are the best bet to cope but there must be an epiphany that this requires drastic changes

The drastic change required is simple yet hard: end socialized retirement programs. Everyone needs to work.

Re:South Korea has the lowest fertility rate, with lessons f... by midoridensha on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @02:19AM (#35243058)
Not everyone can work, or at least, not regular "full-time" work. However, more flexibility could get more productivity out of the aging populace: ending fixed retirement ages, for instance (some people are decrepit by 70, others are still quite vigorous and active), and also more part-time work, remote work, etc. could get more older people to be contributors to the economy again.
Re:South Korea has the lowest fertility rate, with lessons f... by EGreg on Monday March 20, 2023 @07:11PM (#35240171)
What matters more ... that our social pyramid schemes will fail (actually they won't because automation drop demand for human labor) or that we destroy our environment?

95% of all biomass is humans and their farm animals

5% is the rest of mammals... biodiversity is pretty much done on the planet

insects are plummeting, and they're pollinators and food for birds etc.

overfishing in many coastal areas

by 2050 there will be more plastic than fish in the ocean, and still people think that humanity can't make things on such a large scale... all the fish biomass will be outnumbered by our plastic

kelp forests, bleached corals ... ocean acidification...

rainforests are 90% gone

one third of arable land is now unable to grow much at all

and this is all in a few generations .. ANTHROPOCENE

the climate change is not the most pressing issue at all

us talking about "we can't afford to fix this" is like people playing a videogame and racking up points IN A HOUSE THAT'S ON FIRE -- saying sorry, I can't pause the game to put out the fire... yet the house is the only one we all have.

Put it in perspective ... the number of people on the planet is the input to all these functions. If we went back to having a billion people, and robots doing a lot of the work, we'd have everyone receiving a UBI and be richer and happier. What is this obsession with endless population growth? Humanity was doing just fine with under a billion people, no? We were able to fix child mortality, but now we have to learn about the exponential function...

Re:South Korea has the lowest fertility rate, with lessons f... by chaostheory on Monday March 20, 2023 @11:47PM (#35242337)
> What is this obsession with endless population growth?

Because both socialism and capitalism require growth to function. We need a new economic system.

Re:South Korea has the lowest fertility rate, with lessons f... by midoridensha on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @03:41AM (#35243465)
>us talking about "we can't afford to fix this" is like people playing a videogame and racking up points IN A HOUSE THAT'S ON FIRE -- saying sorry, I can't pause the game to put out the fire... yet the house is the only one we all have.

The problem is that we really can't put the fire out.

To extend your analogy, it's like people playing a videogame in a burning house, but the players are competing against each other. And this isn't a normal videogame: the players have implants, wirelessly connected to the machine, which will inject the loser with poison. Whoever loses, dies. So if anyone takes a break from the game to put out the fire, they die (and the fire rages on anyway). The only way to put out the fire is to get everyone to stop the game simultaneously and work together to put out the fire. But that's impossible for these people, because they're greedy and selfish and hate each other and any attempt at working together will be sabotaged somehow by at least one of them.

What can be done in a situation like this? Nothing; just let the fire burn and enjoy the game while it lasts. Hopefully, whoever inherits this planet after humans are gone will be a better species than we were.

Re:South Korea has the lowest fertility rate, with lessons f... by jemmyw on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @05:00AM (#35243946)
While its true that biodiversity is a huge problem and many things you write are correct, your numbers aren't quite right. Humans and their farm animals is not 95% of all biomass. Molluscs, for example, make up as much biomass as humans + farm animals + mammals + birds.
Re:South Korea has the lowest fertility rate, with lessons f... by EGreg on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @02:35PM (#35250482)
I did say mammals...

Sure, if you count insects and plants it would be way more

Re:South Korea has the lowest fertility rate, with lessons f... by jemmyw on Thursday March 23, 2023 @04:32PM (#35280932)
You said "of all biomass". Counting all other animals is important to your point I think, because mammals, while interesting and very interesting to us, and important etc, have never represented all that much biomass or biodiversity.
Re:South Korea has the lowest fertility rate, with lessons f... by thefz on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @07:21AM (#35244758)
Yeah, these can survive. Just tax the ultra wealthy.