Re:Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London
by ars on Monday March 20, 2023 @04:50PM
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And Germany is tiny compared to the US.
A farm in Germany is how far of a drive from the nearest city?
In the US you could drive 10 hours from a farm to get to the nearest large city. Suburbs and tiny cities are what farms need to survive.
Re:Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London
by wolverine876 on Monday March 20, 2023 @09:02PM
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Tiny overstates it. I think ~30% of the size.
Re:Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London
by lavela on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @10:25AM
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I get your point about small cities, but suburbs? They are attached to larger cities, so they may take the drive down from 10 hours to maybe 9.5. How does that make that much of a difference?
Re:Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London
by tfourb on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @06:54AM
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Yes, farms need market access. But that market does not have to be a sprawling suburb, it can be a decently dense town or city. Also, market access is relative depending on product. Farmers concentrating on crops like wheat and corn don't care about the distance to cities, as their product is traded globally. For fresh produce, distance is a real concern, but on the other hand you don't need a lot of land to fulfill the need of even large cities. You could conceivably provide most fresh produce from inside city limits if urban planning would see this as necessary. Production/acre for something like tomatoes is really huge, depending on the methods used.
Re:Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London
by pjmlp on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @04:12AM
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Except that in most German towns outside the tiny center where almost everything closes between 4 and 6 pm with exception of supermarkets, everything else seems to require a car or at least 30 minute cycling, with most buses ending at 8pm.
Industrial zones are also a completely different category entirely.
Living in Germany, most German cities do not have anything that is comparable to a U.S. "suburb". Building codes demand a quite high density, even for single family homes for new developments and older developments have the tendency to get denser as the demand for housing in a city rises.
German planning law specifically aims to concentrate development as much as possible, to limit encroachment on agricultural lands and nature. Doesn't always work out, but we have very little of the "urban sprawl" that is so characteristic of U.S. urban planning.