Re:Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London
by altacc on Monday March 20, 2023 @02:20PM
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I once heard somebody describe cycling after a few drinks as the closest thing humans can get to flying.
Re:Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London
by tfourb on Monday March 20, 2023 @02:51PM
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A friend of mine in college drove down a (very) long flight of stairs with his bike while being (very) drunk. He was severely injured and I very much doubt based on his recollection of what happened that he would a) have injured himself at all if he was on foot and b) even if he had fell on those stairs, he would have had much less serious injuries.
Re:Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London
by treve on Monday March 20, 2023 @04:28PM
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Sure, but you are comparing statistics for an entire country to a specific incident. Of course there's a non-0 risk, but when it's about traffic and safety it's about acceptable, not complete elimination of risk.
It's still illegal in the Netherlands to bike drunk. I'm sure this would be aggressively enforced in cities like Groningen if statistically there were major safety issues Thursdays and Friday nights with drunk cyclists, but this is not the case.
Not to say that your friend shouldn't have walked instead though. Drunkness is also a sliding scale. Luckily with cyclists the chances are way lower of murdering others.
Re:Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London
by nec4b on Monday March 20, 2023 @03:13PM
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Hitting a pedestrian when riding a bike at 25 km/h has life threatening consequences for the pedestrian. Pedestrians do die when hit by bikers. Especially elderly which have worse awareness around them and are more fragile.
Re:Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London
by bosie on Monday March 20, 2023 @04:36PM
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Not even being snarky but if hitting a pedestrian at 25kmh with a bicycle is so bad, how much worse would it be with a car/truck/bus?
Re:Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London
by nec4b on Monday March 20, 2023 @04:55PM
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I'm sure flying a plane with 300 people on board while being drunk is worse than driving a car drunk. But that doesn't mean it's now OK to drive under influence, because there is something even worse out there you could do while being drunk.
Re:Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London
by bosie on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @05:54AM
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cool. that was not even my intent by asking the question. i was wondering how lethal it is being hit by a car at 25kmh.
Re:Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London
by nec4b on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @03:11PM
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It depends on how you get hit and how do you land. Cars builders have pedestrian safety in mind as they get NCAP ratings for it. If you are lucky, maybe not that much damage. On the other hand full frontal collision with a bus is probably not good for you as there is nowhere for you slide or bounce off to lose some of the energy. Bike is similar to bus as there is no way for you to 'gently' (no 'soft' metal to bend or curves to steer you off it) lose some of the energy.
Re:Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London
by Macha on Monday March 20, 2023 @07:36PM
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Where do you think cyclists are going 25 km/h while interacting with pedestrians? If it's on a shared pathway they should be going more slowly, if someone fails to do that that's as much their failure as if they hit someone with a car. And if they're on a road/cycle lane and they fail to respect a ped crossing, that's again the same.
Re:Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London
by nec4b on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @02:45PM
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If everybody would do everything by the book we wouldn't have this discussion about drunken cyclist.
Re:Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London
by alexanderchr on Monday March 20, 2023 @07:54PM
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People here (northern Europe) don’t bike at 25 km/h while drunk, if at all (unless racing/exercising), so it’s not really an issue.
I live in a student city in the Netherlands (Groningen), where most students go out on the town by bike. It's really not much more dangerous than walking drunk. And it's very much preferable to driving drunk.
Thousands of students park their bikes in the city's central underground bike parking spots every weekend. I have never heard of someone dying because biking drunk. The biggest danger for any bike, drunk or not, remains the car. This is also reflected in the enforcement of laws by the police. Although driving drunk, and being drunk in public is not allowed, fining cyclists for this is rarely enforced. Partially because the consequences are not too bad, and partially to make sure people don't drive home drunk instead to avoid a fine.
According to the Dutch central bureau of statistics in 2021, out of all deaths of cyclists 34% are due to losing consciousness, getting a foot stuck in the wheels, making a wrong movement, or due to bad road conditions and slipperiness. Out of this 34%, 72 % is over the age of 70. https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/nieuws/2022/37/meer-fietsdoden-na-e...