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Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by pjc50 on Friday March 17, 2023 @04:58AM (#35194735)
One day an AI will be able to give a meaningful definition of that word.
Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by raspberry1337 on Friday March 17, 2023 @05:05AM (#35194775)
I think it is already possible.

"Far-left extremist, post-modernist, neo-marxist ideology with higher focus on racial and gender equality rather than the traditional working class one; with a 'transectionalist' perspective that stacks under-privilege's on top of each other such that a white homosexual individual is yet more privileged than a black one. Subjectivist, idealist in the sense that personal perspective triumphs everything, and none can never fully understand the subject of another."

Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by pjc50 on Friday March 17, 2023 @05:12AM (#35194819)
OK, so why is this bad? Once you remove the "prompt" words like "extremist". And how is it linked to Marxism?
Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by SuoDuanDao on Friday March 17, 2023 @11:04AM (#35197997)
>How is it linked to Marxism?

I've heard it convincingly described as follows: Woke ideology (AKA Social justice etc) is a pared-down version of Marxism the same way Marxism is a pared-down version of Christianity. Woke ideology is just Marxism without the class stuff, Marxism is just Christianity without the God stuff (presumably Christianity is just Judaism without the Rabinical law stuff)

Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by Eisenstein on Friday March 17, 2023 @05:59AM (#35195081)
What is 'post-modernist neo-Marxist ideology'? Isn't that just what Jordan Peterson calls things he doesn't like even though he admits to having never read any Marx?
Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by autophagian on Friday March 17, 2023 @06:39AM (#35195292)
It's fairly trivial to define. You know all those things that you don't like? The bad things, that all the stupid people do without thinking, unlike you? That's post-modernist neo-marxist ideology.
Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by raspberry1337 on Friday March 17, 2023 @06:53AM (#35195380)
If you are gonna say ridiculous things online, it's supposed to be funny.

Then again, there aren't any (successful) leftist comedians left anymore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Marxism#:~:text=Neo%2DMarx...).

Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by Eisenstein on Friday March 17, 2023 @07:19AM (#35195524)
You sound like a person that makes everything about 'left' vs 'right' and has no solution to problems except to criticize things you disagree with for being 'left' or 'woke'.
Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by raspberry1337 on Friday March 17, 2023 @05:16PM (#35203009)
I have a lot of solutions, I proposed reduced immigration in Sweden 10 years before the leftists realized it was a necessity. I have loads of more solutions now too, but it will probably take 10 years for the left to realize they are inevitable too.
Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by rzl777 on Friday March 17, 2023 @07:42PM (#35204407)
you sound like an intellectually dishonest person who will resort to any rhetorical nonsense in order to gain social media points, likely narcissistic traits
Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by Eisenstein on Saturday March 18, 2023 @05:18AM (#35207518)
> you sound like an intellectually dishonest person

Nope.

> who will resort to any rhetorical nonsense

Rhetoric t is literally the act of arguing. If it isn't fallacious it isn't nonsense, and I don't use fallacious reasoning.

> in order to gain social media points

Are you jealous that you don't have any?

> likely narcissistic traits

Maybe projecting a little?

Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by loa_in_ on Friday March 17, 2023 @08:37AM (#35196286)
That made me chuckle
Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by TeMPOraL on Friday March 17, 2023 @06:46AM (#35195337)
GP uses these terms in a straightforward fashion. Understanding is literally two google searches (or ChatGPT questions) away!

- "post-modernism" - as in rejection of the values of enlightenment; rejection of reason, and ultimately rejection of the idea that there exist solutions to problems that can be discovered by people cooperating in good faith;

- "neo-Marxist" - a softer take on Marxism, less about bloody revolutions, more about hearts and minds; figures the class struggle is a spent topic for now, so it tries to create new social divisions to keep people motivated.

Also, if you're to believe Wikipedia entry[0], a label adopted by a group of people trying to subvert mental health institutions so they breed revolutionaries instead of healing people. I wish I was making that up...

EDIT: I'll just quote that last bit verbatim, the whole subheading on Wiki as it looks right now:

  Neo-Marxist feminism
  
  Some portions of Marxist feminism have used the neo-Marxist label.[16][17] This
  school of thought believes that the means of knowledge, culture, and pedagogy
  are part of a privileged epistemology. Neo-Marxist feminism relies heavily on
  critical theory and seeks to apply those theories in psychotherapy as the means
  of political and cultural change. Teresa McDowell and Rhea Almeida use these
  theories in a therapy method called "liberation based healing," which, like many
  other forms of Marxism, uses sample bias in the many interrelated liberties in
  order to magnify the "critical consciousness" of the participants towards unrest
  of the status quo.[17][18][19][20]
--

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Marxism#Neo-Marxist_femini...

Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by peppermint_gum on Friday March 17, 2023 @06:54AM (#35195385)
I don't know where this belief that marxism is merely an economic theory comes from. Critical theory is directly descended from marxism.
Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by Eisenstein on Friday March 17, 2023 @07:11AM (#35195482)
Who cares if it is economic, you still didn't define it.
Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by TeMPOraL on Friday March 17, 2023 @09:54PM (#35205286)
There's a definition right there, on Wikipedia, and it happens to go along with GP's argument.

Does that definition feel completely fuzzy, and seem to be no definition at all? I think so to. It hints at certain idea, but otherwise... every political ideology with a name is like it.

Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by zikzak on Friday March 17, 2023 @08:11AM (#35195991)
A large number of people think empathy and sensitivity to others is bad, and we should refer to it with a pejorative term. That's... not a great sign.
Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by kevviiinn on Friday March 17, 2023 @08:43AM (#35196359)
That's the end result of hyper competitive individualistic capitalism
Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by throwawayapples on Friday March 17, 2023 @08:49AM (#35196418)
Is that what you really think it means?
Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by rzl777 on Friday March 17, 2023 @07:38PM (#35204361)
Of course not, its standard gaslighting behavior by a wokeling, you shouldn't consider them to be arguing in good faith, they are innately evil.
Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by raspberry1337 on Friday March 17, 2023 @08:51AM (#35196437)
None said empathy is bad, wokes/far left extremism however is a mind virus.
Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by simonh on Friday March 17, 2023 @09:21AM (#35196729)
The term woke goes back to the 1930s as a term used by black Americans for awareness of racial prejudice and discrimination. Being aware that these things are real problems that people face is being woke. Since then it's been generalised to include sexism, and more recently awareness of issues such as transphobia.

By itself it's no more left or right than the issue of prejudice is generally given that there are feminists, homosexuals and transgender people who are conservative politically but also woke in the original sense.

Very recently, in the last few years, it's been adopted as a pejorative term for far left identity politics. Now far left identity politics is a real thing, and it certainly is woke and probably deserves to have a pejorative term for it, but it has no ownership or exclusive claim on the term woke. unfortunately this may be a lost battle at this stage, but there are still a lot of people in the black community who have been using the term in its original meaning for generations and will doubtless continue to do so.

Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by rzl777 on Friday March 17, 2023 @07:40PM (#35204386)
who cares about what words meant in the 1930s? especially considering the modern abuse of language as a rhetorical device.
Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by simonh on Saturday March 18, 2023 @09:00AM (#35208736)
As I explained, it's been in use since the 1930s and is still widely used in the black community in the US in the same sense today. The sense in which raspberry1337 used it was, precisely, abuse of language as a rhetorical device. Probably not deliberately, hence I tried to explain the historical and current cultural context.
Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by rzl777 on Friday March 17, 2023 @07:37PM (#35204351)
A small but overly financially and socially influential group of people believe they can hide behind "empathy and sensitivity" to promote government mandated discrimination, corporate-government collusion of mass censorship, and the sexual abuse of children. What is in fact a great sign is that more and more people are quietly discussing among themselves as to whether they shouldn't harm that small group of woke individuals in order to secure their own safety and liberty.
Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by AussieWog93 on Friday March 17, 2023 @09:14PM (#35205038)
I think a lot of the reason people reject political correctness/"wokeness" is because it gives the appearance of empathy and sensitivity while at the same time not acknowledging others' humanity. It's an artificial substitute to real empathy.

It might be a bit of a regional thing, as the US and Canada don't have the same pisstake culture we have in Australia/NZ/SA/Britain, but speaking from experience I can assure you that there is nothing more dehumanising than someone using politically correct language to describe the particular minority I happen to be a part of in an academic way, or refusing to make jokes at my expense because they're "too offensive".

Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by krapp on Friday March 17, 2023 @09:00AM (#35196502)
From wikipedia[0]:

    Woke (/ˈwoʊk/ WOHK) is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) meaning "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination".[1][2] Beginning in the 2010s, it came to encompass a broader awareness of social inequalities such as sexism, and has also been used as shorthand for American Left ideas involving identity politics and social justice, such as the notion of white privilege and slavery reparations for African Americans.[3][4][5] 
As is common among the right, people refuse to comprehend the language or engage with it in good faith in an attempt to sabotage progressive dialogue and poison the well of discourse by inverting the narrative (see some of the dead comments in this thread.)

But the odd thing is how many people claim not to know what "woke" means who also seem to know exactly what "anti-woke" means. How can you be against something without a definition?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke

[1] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/03043754221126279

[2] https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-education-minister-je...

[3] Morgan, Marcyliena (2020). "'We Don't Play': Black Women's Linguistic Authority Across Race, Class, and Gender". In Alim, H. Samy; Reyes, Angela; Kroskrity, Paul V. (eds.). The Oxford Handbook of Language and Race. Oxford University Press. pp. 276–277.

[4] https://www.vox.com/culture/21437879/stay-woke-wokeness-hist...

[5] https://theconversation.com/where-woke-came-from-and-why-mar...

Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by snoochyboochies on Friday March 17, 2023 @09:19AM (#35196710)
"It's not happening and it's a good thing"

The motte and bailey / smug gaslighting combo that is characteristic of today's discourse on the left.

Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by walls on Friday March 17, 2023 @09:45AM (#35196977)
They know what it means, it just makes their bigotry obvious if they can explain what it is while claiming to be fighting it.
Re:Prompt engineers have already jailbroken GPT-4 in just tw... by rzl777 on Friday March 17, 2023 @07:41PM (#35204400)
what's obvious is what we're going to do to you if you continue violating the social contract. man i love drone swarms, anyone can use one to cause total chaos!