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Re:Bandcamp Unionizes by LastTrain on Thursday March 16, 2023 @07:51PM (#35190647)
I’m pro union and I’m in the tech industry, but it is tone deaf when members of best paid and most well treated of industries speak as if they are oppressed. It kind of makes a mockery of the plight of the actual working class.
Re:Bandcamp Unionizes by chasing on Thursday March 16, 2023 @08:02PM (#35190746)
You don’t have to be oppressed to form a union. Most professional athletes, for example, are unionized. And they’re often very well paid.
Re:Bandcamp Unionizes by umeshunni on Thursday March 16, 2023 @08:46PM (#35191181)
Also, Doctors, Actors etc
Re:Bandcamp Unionizes by LastTrain on Thursday March 16, 2023 @09:45PM (#35191773)
Nowhere did I say Bandcamp engineers can't have a union, or even whether it makes good business sense for them. It might, it might not. Maybe this will end up being better for Soundcloud engineers in the long run if you know what I mean. I was reacting to the idea that it somehow furthers the cause of organized labor, it doesn't.
Re:Bandcamp Unionizes by PaulDavisThe1st on Thursday March 16, 2023 @11:53PM (#35192847)
> I was reacting to the idea that it somehow furthers the cause of organized labor, it doesn't.

It absolutely does, by helping to (re)normalize the idea that the employer/union duality is the common, sensible, ubiquitous arrangement.

Re:Bandcamp Unionizes by abandonliberty on Friday March 17, 2023 @01:27PM (#35200115)
Don't we call those guilds, associations, academies, etc.?

Unions traditionally refer to blue collar/factory work.

I don't know what the difference is.

Re:Bandcamp Unionizes by scaramanga on Friday March 17, 2023 @10:29AM (#35197583)
Not to mention gladiators i ancient rome, many of whom were paid very well...

You're quite right that this is a completely ridiculous argument.

A well paid slave, is still a slave.

Re:Bandcamp Unionizes by LastTrain on Friday March 17, 2023 @04:29PM (#35202466)
This is the mockery and tone deafness I was referring to. No, no one at Bandcamp is a slave, and to say so is an insult to people who are. Do you hear yourself? It is the height of privilege to think you are a slave at your well paid, fun engineering job.
Re:Bandcamp Unionizes by scaramanga on Sunday March 19, 2023 @11:16PM (#35226841)
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony

It is simply risible to pretend that the tech-industry has not created a new generation of piece-workers. Or that conditions cannot be bad (even unacceptable) in a well-paid and otherwise privileged job.

Perhaps you simply lack insight to realise that by writing this comment you have become the thing my comment was mocking? :)

"You Gladiators, look at the purse awarded to you! And you call yourself a common slave! It is an insult to the slaves who toil in the mines!"

Re:Bandcamp Unionizes by CircleSpokes on Thursday March 16, 2023 @08:12PM (#35190840)
Nothing about forming a union is tone deaf. One doesn't have to be 'oppressed' to form a union. This isn't mocking anything.
Re:Bandcamp Unionizes by muglug on Thursday March 16, 2023 @08:14PM (#35190852)
I bet the average non-manager wage at Bandcamp is substantially less than the big tech companies (especially given the mix of support staff). Many of them will be putting up with less money so they can work on something they actually believe in, and something that is one of the few tech success stories for musicians.
Re:Bandcamp Unionizes by thylacine222 on Thursday March 16, 2023 @08:44PM (#35191163)
The working class can't live off your pity, they would much rather have a strong union movement from every sector so we can fight together.
Re:Bandcamp Unionizes by LastTrain on Thursday March 16, 2023 @09:39PM (#35191724)
Platitudes won't either. People in true need of a union need actual support. Where you spend your money, who you financially support in politics. They are not on the sidelines cheering the Bandcamp engineers on, they see it for what it is, and know it isn't going to trickle down to them.
Re:Bandcamp Unionizes by jjj123 on Thursday March 16, 2023 @09:49PM (#35191819)
Forming a union isn’t a platitude, it’s direct action. In a culture as union-hostile as the modern day US, every new union is a win for the labor movement.

I can speak from experience that leftist groups who otherwise hate the tech industry do celebrate tech unions.

Re:Bandcamp Unionizes by alex_sf on Friday March 17, 2023 @02:46AM (#35194015)
You're right, it's not a platitude, but it's entirely performative and diminishes actual labor struggles.
Re:Bandcamp Unionizes by jamilton on Friday March 17, 2023 @05:08AM (#35194795)
I don't think it actually, meaningfully diminishes "actual labor struggles". The working class is not going to have a harder time organizing because some tech workers did it first.
Re:Bandcamp Unionizes by ETH_start on Friday March 17, 2023 @02:58AM (#35194105)
Unions have won every cultural battle in the US. The only reason union membership declined is that virtually every industry that they got a hold of went bankrupt or severely contracted. A notable exception is Hollywood, and that's only because the nature of movie projects, which are time-limited, reduces the leverage of unionized workers.

In the government, where taxpayers pay for growing inefficiency, unions have only grown in strength.

Re:Bandcamp Unionizes by amrocha on Thursday March 16, 2023 @08:47PM (#35191186)
We have a lot more in common with the working class than with billionaire CEOs
Re:Bandcamp Unionizes by chasing on Thursday March 16, 2023 @09:04PM (#35191341)
Most of us are working class, even if relatively well-paid.
Re:Bandcamp Unionizes by yeahsure22 on Friday March 17, 2023 @07:34AM (#35195619)
Yeah buddy you are just like a bus driver…
Re:Bandcamp Unionizes by amrocha on Friday March 17, 2023 @07:50AM (#35195772)
Yep. I rely on a job for income. My boss has leverage over me. I can't go too long without a job. I don't have a say on what the company works on.
Re:Bandcamp Unionizes by scaramanga on Friday March 17, 2023 @10:33AM (#35197631)
Nailed it. These are about the conditions of your existence and the dignity of your profession, not how much you are being paid.

A worker might get paid $1,000 in compensation every time an executive hits him with a baseball bat, but it doesn't make it okay. You might later increase the payment to $3,000 per blow. But it is still assault, even though that is a lot of money to be earning for a job that anyone can do.

https://www.latimes.com/world/la-xpm-2010-dec-01-la-fg-south...

Re:Bandcamp Unionizes by LBJsPNS on Friday March 17, 2023 @09:07AM (#35196581)
He, and you, are more like a bus driver than you are like any billionaire CEO. Sorry to pop your bubble of imagined superiority.