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Re:OK, it’s time to freak out about AI by time_to_smile on Thursday March 16, 2023 @03:20PM (#35186937)
The other major thing missing from Chat GPT is that it doesn't really "learn" outside of training. Yes you can provide it some context, but it fundamentally doesn't update and evolve its understanding of the world.

Until a system can actively and continuously learn from its environment and update its beliefs it's not really "scary" AI.

I would be much more concerned about a far stupider program that had the ability to independently interact with its environment and update it's believes in fundamental ways.

Re:OK, it’s time to freak out about AI by og_kalu on Thursday March 16, 2023 @03:28PM (#35187059)
In context learning is already implicit finetuning. https://arxiv.org/abs/2212.10559. It's very questionable to what extent continuous training is necessary past a threshold of intelligence.

Memory Augmented Large Language Models are Computationally Universal https://arxiv.org/abs/2301.04589

Re:OK, it’s time to freak out about AI by Quarrelsome on Thursday March 16, 2023 @04:34PM (#35188122)
> It's very questionable to what extent continuous training is necessary past a threshold of intelligence.

To absorb new information about current events, otherwise they will always be time-locked into the past until a new dev cycle completes.

Re:OK, it’s time to freak out about AI by og_kalu on Thursday March 16, 2023 @04:40PM (#35188209)
The point I'm trying to make is that you don't need continuous training to absorb new information about current events
Re:OK, it’s time to freak out about AI by time_to_smile on Thursday March 16, 2023 @04:59PM (#35188517)
Very interesting paper, thanks for the link!
Re:OK, it’s time to freak out about AI by kristjansson on Thursday March 16, 2023 @09:30PM (#35191610)
In context learning may act like fine tuning, but crucially does not mutate the state of the system. The same model prompted with the same task thousands of times is no better at it the thousandth time than the first.
Re:OK, it’s time to freak out about AI by og_kalu on Thursday March 16, 2023 @11:22PM (#35192597)
GPT-3 is horrible at arithmetic. Yet if you define the algorithmic steps to perform addition on 2 numbers, accuracy on addition arithmetic shoots up to 98% even on very large numbers. https://arxiv.org/abs/2211.09066 Think about what that means.

"Mutating the system" is not a crucial requirement at all. In context learning is extremely over-powered.

Re:OK, it’s time to freak out about AI by mr_toad on Friday March 17, 2023 @12:05AM (#35192960)
> Yet if you define the algorithmic steps to perform addition on 2 numbers

You’re limited by the prompt size, which might be fine for simple arithmetic.

Re:OK, it’s time to freak out about AI by Jensson on Friday March 17, 2023 @02:22AM (#35193854)
> Think about what that means.

It means you have natural language programming. We would need to prove that natural language programming is more powerful than traditional programming at solving logical problems, I haven't seen such a proof.

Re:OK, it’s time to freak out about AI by dragonwriter on Friday March 17, 2023 @02:29AM (#35193904)
> Yet if you define the algorithmic steps to perform addition on 2 numbers, accuracy on addition arithmetic shoots up to 98% even on very large numbers. https://arxiv.org/abs/2211.09066 Think about what that means.

That means that even with the giant model, you need to stuff even the most basic knowledge for dealing with problems of that class into the prompt space to get it to work, cutting into conversation depth and per-response size? The advantage of GPT-4’s big window and the opportunity it provides for things like retrieval and deep iterative context shrinks if I’ve got to stuff a domain textbook into the system prompt so it isn’t just BSing me.

Re:OK, it’s time to freak out about AI by saulpw on Thursday March 16, 2023 @04:25PM (#35187970)
I think this is only a matter of time, though? Like how many years away do you think this is? 1? 2?
Re:OK, it’s time to freak out about AI by baal80spam on Thursday March 16, 2023 @04:38PM (#35188183)
I'm not sure, I've read that it's currently prohibitively expensive.
Re:OK, it’s time to freak out about AI by UncleEntity on Thursday March 16, 2023 @09:41PM (#35191734)
Prohibitively expensive before everyone + dog decided to throw a bunch of capital at it.

Now it’s just “runway”.

Re:OK, it’s time to freak out about AI by hackerlight on Thursday March 16, 2023 @08:57PM (#35191280)
> Until a system can actively and continuously learn from its environment and update its beliefs it's not really "scary" AI.

On the eve of the Manhattan Project, was it irrational to be weary of nuclear weapons (to those physicists who could see it coming)? Something doesn't have to be a reality now to be concerning. When people express concern about AI, they're extrapolating 5-10 years in the future. They're not talking about now.

Re:OK, it’s time to freak out about AI by SirMaster on Thursday March 16, 2023 @10:32PM (#35192171)
And yet, we invented nuclear weapons and yet we are all still here and fine.

I’m sure plenty of people thought the advent of nuclear weapons spelled doomsday not to dissimilar to how people think AI spells doomsday.

History only shows me that humans are adaptable and problem solving and have the perseverance to survive.

Is there a historical counter point?

Re:OK, it’s time to freak out about AI by hackerlight on Thursday March 16, 2023 @10:53PM (#35192368)
Doomsday predictions will always be wrong in hindsight because if they were correct then you wouldn't be here to realize it. The near misses in the Cold War, where we almost accidentally got obliterated, show that the concern wasn't misplaced. If anything, the concern itself is the reason it didn't end badly.