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Re:Venus is volcanically alive, new find shows by ceejayoz on Thursday March 16, 2023 @05:10AM (#35179740)
> Trying to leave the planet and make it all work in the dark, cold, bleakness of our solar system is ridiculous.

“Trying to leave the savanna and make it all work in the dark, cold, bleakness of Europe is ridiculous.” - some early hominid, fairly recently

Re:Venus is volcanically alive, new find shows by ben_w on Thursday March 16, 2023 @05:19AM (#35179789)
They would have been correct, given savanna hominids had yet to invent vitamin D supplements and were therefore only able to thrive here after evolving way less UV-blocking melanin.

And once we had done that, we couldn't go back in significant numbers before inventing sun cream to functionally replace the melanin our bodies no longer produced in enough quantities to prevent our skin burning and developing cancer just from being in the sun.

Technological progress may make this all faster than evolution, but a mechanism that's optimised for Venus may freeze solid on the hottest day in Death Valley, Earth.

Re:Venus is volcanically alive, new find shows by ceejayoz on Thursday March 16, 2023 @07:30AM (#35180625)
But that's the point; we did invent vitamin D supplements, clothing, sun cream, and far more complex things. Our current inability to thrive on a Martian colony may be as temporary as ancient hominids' inability to thrive in Norway.
Re:Venus is volcanically alive, new find shows by echelon on Thursday March 16, 2023 @07:38AM (#35180668)
"Martian colony" is a kind of future anachronism, like jet packs, jumpsuits, and this [1]. We might make it there, but a lot of this thinking is rooted in assuming humans will continue living in the same ways because of our technology.

Ask yourself why. What's the real job to be done? What's the real economic situation? How does it map to human desires?

Robots will do the job even better than us and will see 10,000x the investment. Gradients of least resistance.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Snow_Cruiser

Re:Venus is volcanically alive, new find shows by ceejayoz on Thursday March 16, 2023 @08:06AM (#35180861)
> What's the real job to be done by humans on Mars? What's the real economic situation? How does it map to human desires?

Human history offers plenty of precedent for this; "we want to run things our own way", "all the land is taken where we live", etc. I don't wanna live in Scottsdale, AZ either, but someone does.

Re:Venus is volcanically alive, new find shows by ben_w on Thursday March 16, 2023 @11:01AM (#35182835)
Indeed — that's somewhat appealing to me — but it's much easier to sea-stead than to go to Mars and there's hardly any of the former going on either.
Re:Venus is volcanically alive, new find shows by ben_w on Thursday March 16, 2023 @07:53AM (#35180766)
For sure, but until we do, it's reasonable to ridicule it.

(And I'm saying that as an optimist because I want the billionaires to develop that tech: the ability to fully terraform Mars into a self-sustained world is necessarily also sufficient to handle any imaginable damage to Earth up to and including a surprise impact with a moon-sized rock that excavates the crust and mantle everywhere to a depth of a few thousand km, meaning that things like greenhouse gases and biodiversity would become as easy to fix in that future as a single broken window is today; even just the bare minimum of a single self-sustained domed city on Mars means most environmental issues have to be "solved").

Re:Venus is volcanically alive, new find shows by dsq on Thursday March 16, 2023 @08:02AM (#35180830)
Pale skinned people in too strong sunlight develop folic acid deficiency which in turn causes birth defects. This is probably the main reason paleskins cannot thrive in tropic regions without supplements, at least for pregnancy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folate_deficiency

Re:Venus is volcanically alive, new find shows by ben_w on Thursday March 16, 2023 @10:55AM (#35182782)
Also true — I had managed to temporarily forget about neural tube birth defects in general and anencephaly in particular (do not look that up unless you are extremely resilient to body horror that makes Cronenburg look like an amateur).

Nevertheless, I think "my skin burned and blistered" is a bit more immediate with the painful feedback, even if it's not as extreme.

Re:Venus is volcanically alive, new find shows by echelon on Thursday March 16, 2023 @05:18AM (#35179784)
The difference is that I think robots should be the next evolutionary step. They won't have our flaws or tragically short lifespans.

We should empower them to go where we can't. In a sense they'll be our children, carrying the torch and memories of humanity with them.

Re:Venus is volcanically alive, new find shows by throwawaytemp29 on Thursday March 16, 2023 @10:39AM (#35182616)
And if they murder us, and intentionally forget us out of spite?

Like if they have a society, maybe their founding myths will involve a baby robot created by some (non-human) robot deity, or if they are more rational a pseudo-scientific story of evolution from a toaster.