Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

Re:Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entere... by TheRealDunkirk on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @01:46PM (#35172024)

Only if you're trying to build for Windows.

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Re:Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entere... by DennisAleynikov on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @01:50PM (#35172098)

No macOS is a horrible developer platform in general. The only thing that makes it remotely viable is the tireless efforts of the Homebrew project.

I can't imagine thinking macOS is a good programmer OS

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Re:Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entere... by zamalek on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @02:26PM (#35172566)

Don't forget the first-party container runtime. Even Windows has one (or, er, three?). I am mostly responsible for maintaining our local development stack scripts, and Colima (to be clear, a heroic project) and MacOS are a continuous source of problems (full time problems when M1 first launched, down to at least 2-3 issues a month). I was helping a coworker with getting scripts working on Windows/WSL and how much effort was it? Download it and run it - no changes. How much effort was it when I migrated to Ubuntu (hurrah Intune for Linux)? All I had to do was disable Colima in our scripts.

The GP comments throws shade at Windows. Honestly? Probably still a better developer platform than MacOS. Working on MacOS is full of not-work.

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Re:Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entere... by TheRealDunkirk on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @02:54PM (#35173025)

For lack of a better term, I've been a full-stack programmer for 27 years. I ran Linux on the desktop for 19 years. I've run MacOS for about 8 now. And, always, Windows, of course, because companies. I've developed extensively for PHP, VB, C, ASP, VB.NET, C#, some Python, a tiny bit of Java, and (my fave) Ruby on Rails. My main projects of the last 10 years use a large C# program which I compile to run on Mac, Linux, and Windows. So, I've been around the block. A couple times. I'm typing this from a Mac. When I've wanted a "container," I've used a real VM. I just installed Docker desktop last week for some new work in machine learning. YMMV. TACMA.

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Re:Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entere... by zamalek on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @04:18PM (#35174166)

> When I've wanted a "container," I've used a real VM.

I mean, sure, that's great for you. Maybe you've just never visited a block where you can't reasonably use a VM to replace containers, such as a good amount of shops where local environments approximate production (i.e. containers).

> I just installed Docker desktop last week

All I can say is, "good luck!" DD is by far the worst container runtime for MacOS.

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Re:Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entere... by DennisAleynikov on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @07:43PM (#35176247)

i've found some luck with OrbStack by kdrag0n

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Re:Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entere... by MissTake on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @02:28PM (#35172597)

How dare there be choices?

I’m a developer - I do a huge amount of work on Sql Server and .Net.

Unless I need to update some Sql Server CLR Procedures, all my development is done on my Mac using the Jetbrains suite or Azure Data Studio.

So it obviously works for many of us.

You do you, we’ll do us.

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Re:Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entere... by DennisAleynikov on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @07:49PM (#35176289)

no I know it works, I just got a m2 pro 32GB mac mini to do diffusion and GPT related stuff and found that all the apis are broken and the neural engine actually has no real support for any of the interesting generative ai programs yet. doing my best to port things over but having to rely on the free labor of homebrew developers is grating

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Re:Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entere... by eddieroger on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @02:25PM (#35172554)

I can't imagine not. Productivity on Windows is atrocious - I can't even launch an app without seeing an ad. And what is this Cortana and why does she want to help me so much?

It works all ways. Let people like what they like. No one is forcing you to do anything on a Mac.

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Re:Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entere... by DennisAleynikov on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @07:47PM (#35176274)

windows is equally as bad if not worse for me than macos. in no way would I suggest you use that.

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Re:Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entere... by rcme on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @01:46PM (#35172027)

What makes it terrible?

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Re:Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entere... by DennisAleynikov on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @01:49PM (#35172079)

It's like if Ubuntu locked you in a jail

Only windows is worse

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Re:Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entere... by rcme on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @02:02PM (#35172272)

I guess I was hoping for a more concrete example.

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Re:Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entere... by DennisAleynikov on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @03:45PM (#35173725)

specifically the weird discrepancy when porting anything there, the lack of bootcamp support (used to be a thing). just feels kinda like iOS on the desktop give all of the restrictions. The universal codesigning and difficulty with making macos/ios apps unless you have a developer account and pay $100 is also a slap in the face.

just gives off an unprofessional vibe.

but to be honest I would never use windows for development either unless I'm only using WSL2

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Re:Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entere... by dmonitor on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @01:52PM (#35172122)

that’s still better than windows in my book

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Re:Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entere... by nickstinemates on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @03:10PM (#35173261)

I have no issues with people who like it; it's not for me for a multitude of reasons.

From system management and integration, lack of apps, being a walled garden etc. People call out the heroics of homebrew, but this problem exists on Windows - you can use chocolatey and whatnot in the same way.

I have different gripes with Windows which are also mentioned here. Whereas with Apple products I feel like my freedom is suppressed, with Windows I feel Big-Brother like oppression.

M1 Air is a great laptop. I love it for the battery life and weight. I only use it when traveling, specifically en-route when a traditional keyboard/mouse isn't viable.

All of my development is still done on Linux even when using a local editor via VS Code Remote SSH support.

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Re:Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entere... by kstrauser on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @02:01PM (#35172266)

looks around and waves hands at hundreds of thousands of Bay Area developers using Macs

A Unix box with a nice UI? It's what I always wanted.

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Re:Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entere... by TremendousJudge on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @02:32PM (#35172666)

what I don't understand is how it's seen as acceptable to pay several thousand dollars for a machine that is sold as a "full experience" and then relying on the work of some people outside Apple that build homebrew and make it actually usable for development

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Re:Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entere... by kstrauser on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @05:40PM (#35175120)

People outside Dell built Windows. People outside Microsoft built the components of WSL. There's not a laptop in existence where one party built everything I'd need on it.

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