Consider that copyright protects a presentation of a recipe but not the recipe itself and you will realize that “ideas” are not copyright protects.

Intellectual property and copyright are not the same thing. Also the presentation of something is an idea just like the something itself, so copyright is also a scam.

They are literally the same thing. "Intellectual property" comprises copyright, patent, trademark, and trade secrets.

>Also the presentation of something is an idea just like the something itself, so

This is exactly what copyright is. Copyright is based on the argument that the presentation of an idea is a unique correspondence to the idea, and constitutes a tangible item to which property value is attached. It's not intangible and ephemeral (an idea) or concrete and unremarkable (a piece of paper that the idea will be written on).

Sophistry. Intellectual work is indeed Work, and people who engage in it expect money for their service, otherwise, they're happier to not do it at all.

Nothing I said implies intellectual work should be free, unless you have a skewed idea of what selling your services or a product means

Legally, the expression of an idea is a form of property in the United States and most other nations (looking at you, Vatican City). Conceptually, the two questions ("ideas are/are not property") have been debated in the West for centuries. "We stand on the shoulders of giants" lost, and Fichte/Talfourd won. For better and worse, ideas are property.

>Curiously when we talk about science where there is no money, the knowledge is ownerless

USDA grant disbursements for ag science alone would make your eyes bleed.