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Re:GPT-4 by loandbehold on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @01:32PM (#35155171)
Peak denialism? Answering LSAT questions requires general intelligence. They present real life scenarios that test-taker has to understand. It requires "common sense" knowledge about the world and reasoning ability. It's not something you can memorize answers to or solve by following prescribed patterns or templates. And GPT-4 wasn't trained specifically to solve LSAT questions.
Re:GPT-4 by jack_riminton on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @01:51PM (#35155522)
Bingo. These are very 'human' tasks.

As others have said elsewhere, the issue remains accuracy. I wish every response comes with an accurate estimation of how true the answer is, because at the moment it gives wrong answers as confidently as right ones.

Re:GPT-4 by 1attice on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @01:59PM (#35155662)
So the thing is, giving wrong answers with confidence is literally what we train students to do when they are unsure.

I can remember my GRE coach telling me that it was better to confidently choose an answer I only had 50% confidence in, rather than punt on the entire question.

AIs hallucinate because, statistically, it is 'rewarding' for them to do so. (In RLHF)

Re:GPT-4 by metal_am on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @03:27PM (#35157082)
In the context of standardized testing, sure. I don't think I'd try that in a research paper.
Re:GPT-4 by 1attice on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @07:41PM (#35161204)
This is literally in the context of standardized testing? GPT 'evals'?
Re:GPT-4 by jjeaff on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @01:58PM (#35155635)
For the human brain, the LSAT requires reasoning. But not for an LLM. Do we even know exactly what data this is trained on? I have only seen vague references to what data they are using. If it is trained on large chunks of the internet, then it certainly is trained on LSAT practice questions. And because LSAT questions follow a common pattern, it is well suited to a LLM. There isn't any reasoning or general intelligence at all. Just really good statistics applied to large amounts of data.
Re:GPT-4 by moffkalast on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @02:24PM (#35156186)
> For the human brain, the LSAT requires reasoning. But not for an LLM.

Exactly, much like a chess bot can play perfectly without what humans would call thinking.

I think (ironically) we'll soon realize that there is no actual task that would require thinking as we know it.

Re:GPT-4 by Seattle3503 on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @02:32PM (#35156325)
This me of a Dijkstra quote

> The question of whether computers can think is like the question of whether submarines can swim

It has only become more relevant.

Re:GPT-4 by ianbutler on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @02:15PM (#35156009)
From the article: "We did no specific training for these exams. A minority of the problems in the exams were seen by the model during training, but we believe the results to be representative—see our technical report for details."
Re:GPT-4 by gisely on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @02:29PM (#35156286)
I’m skeptical. There is a lot wiggle room in “no specific training”. Could just mean the didn’t fine tune the model for any of tests. Their training data probably included many past LSAT exams and certainly included many instances of people discussing how to solve LSAT problems.
Re:GPT-4 by loandbehold on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @02:59PM (#35156739)
How is it different than humans preparing for LSAT by studying sample questions and reading explanations?
Re:GPT-4 by criddell on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @02:02PM (#35155721)
> It's not something you can memorize answers to or solve by following prescribed patterns or templates.

If that were true, there would be no point in studying or doing any LSAT preparation. Writing practice exams would be of no benefit.

Re:GPT-4 by gcanyon on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @04:03PM (#35157540)
> Answering LSAT questions requires general intelligence.

Obviously not, since GPT-4 doesn't have general intelligence. Likewise "common sense," "knowledge about the world," nor "reasoning ability."

As just one example, reasoning ability: GPT-4 failed at this problem I just came up with: "If Sarah was twice as old as Jimmy when Jimmy was 1/3 as old as Jane, and Jane is as much older than Sarah as Sarah is older than Jimmy, and Sarah is now 40, how old are Jane and Jimmy?"

First, every answer GPT-4 came up with contradicted the facts given: they were just wrong. But beyond that, it didn't recognize that there are many solutions to the problem. And later when I gave it an additional constraint to narrow it to one solution, it got the wrong answer again. And when I say "wrong," I mean that its answer clearly contradicted the facts given.