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Re:Framework 12th gen laptop review by Max-Ganz-II on Monday March 13, 2023 @02:03PM (#35139789)
I have a 12th Gen.

It's the best laptop I've owned.

(I've had a Samsung ATIV book0, and before that a high-end Sony Vaio, both 13 inch).

One thing I must mention in particular : the keyboard is die for.

I had no idea a laptop keyboard could be like this.

I used my Samsung keyboard for many years, perfectly happily - but now I can't use it. It is now so unbelievably flat and lifeless. I am now forever spoiled for lesser keyboards.

I worked on power management, not much work was needed, and I get 11 hours battery life on a 90% charge.

(Basically, use powertop to figure out what processes were using a lot of power (turned out to be Tor and WINE), and then also realise anything plugged into the USB ports took a lot of power, and finally that the powertop power optimization needed to be re-run after a reboot. That got me down to under four watts, but it means no mouse - mouse adds about three watts, which is too much.)

I love the exchangable ports - currently I have 2 USB-C and 2 USB-A, which will in time change to 4 USB-C. I also have an ethernet port, should I need it, and HDMI.

The screen resolution is not 4K, which I had on my Samsung, and thought before I bought it could be a problem, but it simply isn't.

I also love the community. That it's a niche laptop with a highly computer literate community makes it really pleasant.

FYI, I'm running XFCE on Debian.

Re:Framework 12th gen laptop review by insane_dreamer on Monday March 13, 2023 @02:21PM (#35140092)
I have one as well, running Ubuntu. Very happy with it.

I agree the keyboard is excellent. But the trackpad is crappy -- the one blight on this otherwise good laptop, IMO.

Actually, the second issue I have with is the power drain when in sleep mode. Apparently this is fixed on Windows but not Linux. You experience that as well?

Re:Framework 12th gen laptop review by Max-Ganz-II on Monday March 13, 2023 @02:50PM (#35140530)
Trackpad crappy in what way?

It seems utterly normal to me?

Yes, the power drain is sleep mode is abnormal - I've read that the USB ports are to blame, and it will be fixed in upcoming firmware.

Re:Framework 12th gen laptop review by tomnipotent on Monday March 13, 2023 @03:23PM (#35141072)
> Trackpad crappy in what way?

I like it less than my Macbook, but more than my Thinkpad. Find it just a bit too sensitive, so I'm always accidentally dragging things when scrolling.

Re:Framework 12th gen laptop review by insane_dreamer on Monday March 13, 2023 @03:06PM (#35140810)
Gliding is okay, but clicking is not responsive enough, and click-drag is hard to execute (particularly compared to the Macbook).
Re:Framework 12th gen laptop review by Max-Ganz-II on Monday March 13, 2023 @03:12PM (#35140894)
Ah, I understand.

Yes, I can see all of that.

I don't have trouble with it, but I do know what you mean when you say it :-)

Re:Framework 12th gen laptop review by Rebelgecko on Monday March 13, 2023 @06:36PM (#35144069)
1. The force needed to "click" varies depending on where you put your fingers. Clicks near the top of the track pad take more oomph

2. AFAICT you can't change the scroll speed on Fedora (not sure if that's Framework's fault but still super annoying)

Re:Framework 12th gen laptop review by ceiphr on Monday March 13, 2023 @03:03PM (#35140775)
There are two solutions to the sleep problem right now:

1. Change from s2idle to deep. The tradeoff is slower wakeup times but less power drain when sleeping.

2. Sleep then hibernate. After a certain amount of time (maybe 2hrs), the system will go into hibernation from s2idle. This is nice because there's almost no power drain when the system goes into hibernation, but you can have quick wakeup times when the system is still in s2idle. The tradeoff being, it can be a bit of work to implement and you can't have secure boot/kernel lockdown.

[Fedora35 hibernation](https://gist.github.com/eloylp/b0d64d3c947dbfb23d13864e0c051...)

[Fedora 36+: Hibernation with enabled secure boot and full disk encryption (fde) decrypting over tpm2](https://community.frame.work/t/guide-fedora-36-hibernation-w...)

Re:Framework 12th gen laptop review by redditor98654 on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @07:07AM (#35149683)
How is the fan noise in your device. Mine is just way too loud. Running Ubuntu 22.04 and the 12th gen Intel 1280p.
Re:Framework 12th gen laptop review by insane_dreamer on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @08:20AM (#35167137)
Yeah actually in the last few days I’ve been using it more and the fan is pretty loud — don’t know why it’s coming on even when the CPU is not under heavy load
Re:Framework 12th gen laptop review by redditor98654 on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @11:32PM (#35177828)
Yeah, for me even when the CPUs are at 10-20%, the fans seem to be at full speed.
Re:Framework 12th gen laptop review by teruakohatu on Monday March 13, 2023 @02:21PM (#35140086)
> mouse adds about three watts, which is too much.

Have you tried a different mouse?

Re:Framework 12th gen laptop review by Max-Ganz-II on Monday March 13, 2023 @02:56PM (#35140652)
No. It's also three watts for a USB stick - I think it's not the device.
Re:Framework 12th gen laptop review by jancsika on Monday March 13, 2023 @02:15PM (#35139977)
What's wifi like?
Re:Framework 12th gen laptop review by insane_dreamer on Monday March 13, 2023 @02:34PM (#35140307)
works well for me
Re:Framework 12th gen laptop review by Max-Ganz-II on Monday March 13, 2023 @02:57PM (#35140670)
Seems fine. I don't know what the theoretical max is from the router (it's not my router), or the wifi in the laptop, but I've seen 1mb/sec coming down, so it seems to be doing everything it should be doing.