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Re:Philips and the Death of Europe's Last Electronics Giant ... by ajross on Monday March 13, 2023 @11:02AM (#35136638)
> Where is europe's microsoft? Their apple? Their facebook? Their google? There is no "the West". No more than there is "the East".

One place to start looking would be their local Apple, Meta and Google offices.

This is true, in a sense. Big tech giants are headquartered in the USA because the USA made a bunch of choices that make it easy to start a tech company there. But as they grow, they become multinational giants. There is a *ton* of FAANG revenue moving into and through Europe in all directions. Europe is just fine.

I mean, this is like asking why California fell so far behind Delaware in startup valuation. It's true, but not meaningful.

Re:Philips and the Death of Europe's Last Electronics Giant ... by some_random on Monday March 13, 2023 @11:10AM (#35136770)
They have offices in Europe to tap into the low cost talent in the area, nothing more.
Re:Philips and the Death of Europe's Last Electronics Giant ... by ajross on Monday March 13, 2023 @11:31AM (#35137096)
And why are their headquarters in silicon valley except to exploit the local talent pool? With the exception of actual manufacturing, every site decision in a tech company is about labor availability.

So Europe gets value from tech in proportion to its concentration of talent, same as everyone else. Is Europe falling behind on tech talent? Clearly not. So it'll do just fine (where conversely the bay area is largely tapped out at this point, there's no place to put more talent even if it could find it).

Re:Philips and the Death of Europe's Last Electronics Giant ... by mejutoco on Monday March 13, 2023 @12:53PM (#35138500)
An additional reason for the location could be that vcs/founders are located there.

I have seen a similar pattern, where a company has an office in an unusual place because one of the founders lives there, and does not want to relocate.

Re:Philips and the Death of Europe's Last Electronics Giant ... by some_random on Monday March 13, 2023 @01:29PM (#35139179)
Companies expand from where they are founded to reach new labor markets, but that's not the only consideration for where they begin. Startups are founded in SV (and other tech hubs both in and out of the US) because it's an intersection of high quality talent, permissive laws that make it easy to do business (although that doesn't appear to be the case in SV anymore), capital that's willing and able to fund startups, and network effects of being next to loads of other tech companies. Europe is missing pretty much all of that outside talent, and many would argue that even that is questionable because of the typical European work ethic.
Re:Philips and the Death of Europe's Last Electronics Giant ... by ajross on Monday March 13, 2023 @01:45PM (#35139475)
"Founding" and "located in" are rather different though. I take this discussion to be about "Does Europe get a reasonable share of world tech revenue and activity?". And, duh, yes it does. It just doesn't have the Googleplex or Apple's weird circle thing.
Re:Philips and the Death of Europe's Last Electronics Giant ... by nine_k on Monday March 13, 2023 @11:43AM (#35137296)
Didn't they do the very same thing in Asia 15-20 years before?
Re:Philips and the Death of Europe's Last Electronics Giant ... by BossingAround on Monday March 13, 2023 @12:25PM (#35137968)
They have offices in Sillicon Valley to tap into the desire of the locals to work themselves to death by the age of 35, so that they can hopefully retire before they die in order to reclaim back the health they lost while trying to "make it." Nothing more.
Re:Philips and the Death of Europe's Last Electronics Giant ... by WeylandYutani on Monday March 13, 2023 @03:37PM (#35141260)
Low cost? Amsterdam? I wish.
Re:Philips and the Death of Europe's Last Electronics Giant ... by _ph_ on Monday March 13, 2023 @03:42PM (#35141339)
That is definitely true for most large European cities, and that is where lots of the offices are.
Re:Philips and the Death of Europe's Last Electronics Giant ... by 908B64B197 on Monday March 13, 2023 @03:51PM (#35141470)
Switzerland is definitely not low cost. And it's where the majority of innovation happens at FAANG Europeans office.

Truth is, these offices are mostly there to be able to use L1 visas.

Re:Philips and the Death of Europe's Last Electronics Giant ... by cjrp on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @06:40AM (#35149514)
By the time you include corporation and employment taxes, I'd be surprised if the "total cost of employment" per employee was much different in Europe.
Re:Philips and the Death of Europe's Last Electronics Giant ... by sailfast on Wednesday March 15, 2023 @01:12PM (#35171478)
Or...perhaps a lot of very highly skilled engineers and researchers? London isn't where you set up shop for "low cost talent"