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Re:How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really? by recuter on Monday March 13, 2023 @02:20AM (#35131836)
Now that it runs on our laptops a lot of the initial shock, mystique, and novelty has already worn off, just like with DALL-E before it.

What the leaks show is that the community can run circles around OpenAI and the others when it comes to optimizing these things and taking them in interesting directions on a shoe string budget.

For example of what one sesh of tinkering can produce:

https://github.com/geohot/tinygrad/blob/master/examples/llam...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nctqc8FBJ2U&t=4954s

The cat is out of the bag, you don't need a beowulf cluster of A100's and unlimited Azure credits. You do need a budget to train that is out of reach for hobbyists but the moat is not insurmountable and I don't think VC's will be scared off anymore as a lot of startup ideas are viable and a lot of outsiders can demonstrably make a real go of it.

Time for BasedAI. Game on.

Re:How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really? by can_center_divs on Monday March 13, 2023 @02:31AM (#35131892)
Yeah, the community always seems to figure out how to do things more effective.

My girlfriend asked me if I could transcribe some audio files for her with my "programming stuff". I immediately thought of Whisper from OpenAI.

I first used the official CLI tool. With the largest model it took long 8 hours to transcribe a 30 min long file. I noticed it was running on the CPU - tried switching it to use the GPU instead with no luck. Running it on WSL was probably not helping.

Then I found this gem: https://github.com/Const-me/Whisper A C++ Windows implementation of Whisper. I opened the program, fed it with the largest model and the file. The transcript was done in 4 minutes, instead of 8 hours... Downside? The program has a GUI, lol.

Of course, I could probably get the CLI tool to run on the GPU with some tinkering and installing some Nvidia packages for Whisper to use. But frankly, I have so little experience with that kind of stuff, that installing the Windows implementation was a much easier choice.

Re:How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really? by FooBarWidget on Monday March 13, 2023 @02:34AM (#35131912)
ChatGPT can run on our laptops? How? The only thing I could find was that it can't because it requires 128 GB VRAM.
Re:How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really? by recuter on Monday March 13, 2023 @02:37AM (#35131932)
Re:How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really? by FooBarWidget on Monday March 13, 2023 @02:47AM (#35132003)
But that's not ChatGPT?
Re:How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really? by Vespasian on Monday March 13, 2023 @03:02AM (#35132102)
Not it isn't but what the OP is saying that with the llama models (and others) being runable on consumer hardware it's only a matter of time until we get something that's "good enough" for many use cases.

Maybe not first of the class but there is a lot value to be found in the middle ground and it's good for the market as a whole.

Re:How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really? by ShamelessC on Monday March 13, 2023 @02:56AM (#35132062)
No one said ChatGPT. It was a vague reference to the recent LLaMA developments from the community.
Re:How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really? by karmasimida on Monday March 13, 2023 @03:10AM (#35132183)
Even biggest Llama is like 1/3 size of ChatGPT
Re:How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really? by recuter on Monday March 13, 2023 @03:17AM (#35132234)
Might as well compare it to AlpacaGPT, they are trained different. Carefully prompted the output shows flashes of excellence and really whips ass and it is still early days.

We have almost closed the gap in no time whereas on ChatGPT day 1 it seemed they were years ahead. Hopefully there will be more models and developments.

Re:How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really? by ly3xqhl8g9 on Monday March 13, 2023 @02:58AM (#35132073)
LLaMa [1] works on Apple Mx processors due to unified memory. The 7B model works on a 8GB Apple MacBook Pro M1, ~40 seconds/token.

[1] https://dev.l1x.be/posts/2023/03/12/using-llama-with-m1-mac

Re:How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really? by recuter on Monday March 13, 2023 @03:07AM (#35132158)
I get 220ms/token on an M1 8GB Macbook Air, so ChatGPT speeds. on a 32GB M1 Max it babbles faster than my ex-gf.
Re:How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really? by ly3xqhl8g9 on Monday March 13, 2023 @03:15AM (#35132227)
Weird, I ran it alongside quite a few other processes, didn't expect to even be able to run and didn't bother to optimize it in any meaningful way.
Re:How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really? by mach1ne on Monday March 13, 2023 @04:02AM (#35132528)
Not ChatGPT, but LLaMa. Not as good as ChatGPT, but seeing the pace of progress when performance has been demonstrated, we'll have ChatGPT running on our laptops by summer. End of the year at the latest.
Re:How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really? by ivalm on Monday March 13, 2023 @03:30AM (#35132317)
People have decent oss solutions for running inference. There are currently no high quality oss code for training and the best checkpoints are still unavailable (gpt3.5+4/palm/claude)…

There are only a few hundred folks who have actual experience training at this scale.

llama is both not oss and not as good as da-vinci-003/etc. Prob best actual oss model is like flan-t5-xxl.

Re:How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really? by recuter on Monday March 13, 2023 @03:48AM (#35132431)
So we can't lay eggs yet, at least we got one. Who knows what might hatch.
Re:How 'Open' Is OpenAI, Really? by ivalm on Monday March 13, 2023 @03:53AM (#35132462)
I guess I just felt an objection about “[oss] running circles around OpenAI.” The reality is that the core technology is still very unapproachable (making these models). OSS solved like 1% of the total problem/difficulty.

My biggest hope is that meta/google/anthropic actually decide to release training code + data + checkpoint. Meta is most likely to do it but still unlikely

Without that it would take eutherai/carperai to really exceed expectations for OSS to be competitive.