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Re:OpenAI CEO Sam Altman sent startup six-figure loan after ... by Waterluvian on Sunday March 12, 2023 @04:57PM (#35126177)
Isn’t it generally a cardinal sin of business finance though?
Re:OpenAI CEO Sam Altman sent startup six-figure loan after ... by rdl on Sunday March 12, 2023 @05:01PM (#35126232)
Comingling is. In this case there is a clearly articulable reason why ("our bank is going out of business"), and it's temporary, documented, etc. The twin risks to avoid are appearance of embezzlement, and appearance that you're treating the business account and personal account as one (which potentially allows piercing corporate veil/attaching personal assets), but if your building is on fire, you're allowed to break the window to rescue the kitten.
Re:OpenAI CEO Sam Altman sent startup six-figure loan after ... by xyzzy123 on Sunday March 12, 2023 @05:15PM (#35126405)
It's an "antipattern" (and usually a strong sign that something is badly wrong) but it's not illegal... "sinful" is a useful hint that something is "norm" related.
Re:OpenAI CEO Sam Altman sent startup six-figure loan after ... by Waterluvian on Sunday March 12, 2023 @05:22PM (#35126479)
Yeah, I didn’t say illegal. Often “cardinal sin” is just a playful way of saying “something thou shalt never do.”
Re:OpenAI CEO Sam Altman sent startup six-figure loan after ... by dboreham on Sunday March 12, 2023 @05:01PM (#35126227)
Also nal and naa but no: it's "comingling" that's bad. If you explicitly document the transactions, don't do it all the time, and ideally use matching amounts in and out, it's not comingling.
Re:OpenAI CEO Sam Altman sent startup six-figure loan after ... by davidkuennen on Sunday March 12, 2023 @05:14PM (#35126391)
Interesting that its viewed so critically in the US.

If documented its no problem and not uncommon at all in Germany.

In fact many business owners pay something like credit card bills personally and reimburse through the company later.

Re:OpenAI CEO Sam Altman sent startup six-figure loan after ... by rdl on Sunday March 12, 2023 @05:21PM (#35126460)
That is far more common in the US (basically paying expenses on your personal cards, expensing to the company after the fact). You can also advance on some expenses sometimes (this can be abused so there are some accounting restrictions on how you'd do it, etc.).

What is weird/scary (especially when not documented clearly and in advance) is moving your entire bank balance into a personal account. Aside from government/tax/legal, you'd have your investors (in a venture/angel backed company) to justify it to. It's justifiable in this truly exceptional case of SVB imploding and no other bank account being available. (It gets harder to justify in a larger company with lots of investors and more money involved; moving a $100mm balance in a company where you were down to 10% ownership to a personal account even in this situation would be weird AF and depending on the banks involved might cause you problems. I probably still would have emailed counsel and investors/etc. on thursday morning to ask what to do; likely would have sent it to lawyers to handle actually in the huge-account situation.)

Re:OpenAI CEO Sam Altman sent startup six-figure loan after ... by davidkuennen on Sunday March 12, 2023 @05:23PM (#35126485)
I see. That makes sense. Thank you for clarifying.
Re:OpenAI CEO Sam Altman sent startup six-figure loan after ... by saalweachter on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:03PM (#35127720)
Also, imagine the case where you do this and you're wrong. You panic but you're in the minority and there's no bank run and a week or two goes by and the bank is still fine.

Now you've got a weird thing to explain and no vindication.

Re:OpenAI CEO Sam Altman sent startup six-figure loan after ... by rdl on Sunday March 12, 2023 @07:56PM (#35128438)
Philosophical problem of "justified true belief"/Gettier problem. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettier_problem -- I learned about this from one of the Rap Genius founders when I was back in YC, lol.)

Generally the law handles this through the "reasonable man" standard; i.e. "would a reasonable man, knowing what you did at the time, have done what you did?" This would allow you to shoot someone in self-defense who was holding a realistic looking toy gun at a child (which you believed to be a real gun, unlawful intent, etc. at the time).

Re:OpenAI CEO Sam Altman sent startup six-figure loan after ... by Ekaros on Sunday March 12, 2023 @05:19PM (#35126445)
Wouldn't this be other way around. First pay yourself and then spend that money on company bills? Which sounds very iffy to me as European.
Re:OpenAI CEO Sam Altman sent startup six-figure loan after ... by danielfoster on Sunday March 12, 2023 @05:07PM (#35126314)
Not if it’s documented, short-term and for a very extraordinary reason.