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Re:ChatGPT Is Now Finding Bugs in Databases by barrysteve on Friday March 10, 2023 @05:27AM (#35092688)
Manners and conduct existed before eugenics and continues to exist after eugenics. You can't pull one blighted moment in the 1920s as proof the whole idea is faulty.

There is little accuracy in your description of events. Peterson said we share serotonin with lobsters and it fuels a victory/defeat set of behaviours. If you drop the serotonin from his idea, it's no longer what he was talking about.

Your description falls to my mind as a velvet blanket to hide underneath from scary racist and nazi ideas that have nothing to do with Victorian era manners and metaphors about behaviour, expanded out of natural science.

You can't draw a 'perimeter' around the wind.

Re:ChatGPT Is Now Finding Bugs in Databases by kristopolous on Friday March 10, 2023 @06:26AM (#35093074)
Eugenics lasted well more than a single decade and it had a cycling cast of characters over that time.

This would take more then a comment thread on the internet to thoroughly demonstrate to your standard.

There's pretty clear connections of more than s few conduct book authors becoming eugenicists and more then a few eugenicists becoming self help authors and self help authors revealing themselves to be white nationalists/great replacement theorists.

It's not all of them. They sit on the shelf like the cold aisle at the drug store where phony homeopaths somehow have found their way to sit next to things like aspirin and dextromethorphin. There's a similar distinction here but it might take a few pages of text to build it.

Things don't clearly map to the modern world as expected, the lines are drawn differently. Some trade unions found themselves friends of the KKK, some progressives were part of what we'd label the far right today, it's weird and takes a while to explain.

I'm glad you're skeptical though maybe I can use that to stop being lazy and write the volume.

Re:ChatGPT Is Now Finding Bugs in Databases by kristopolous on Friday March 10, 2023 @01:25PM (#35098680)
I genuinely appreciate your engagement but this exact thing is what I was trying to avoid as a time suck.

This type of literature has been a hobby of mine for years and recently I've noticed that I've given myself some expertise.

Hopefully I'll be motivated to write a more complete volume in the future. It takes many pages to build proper context here.

Thanks. I've read your reply but I'm trying to be judicious with my time these days.

Re:ChatGPT Is Now Finding Bugs in Databases by barrysteve on Monday March 13, 2023 @04:46PM (#35142295)
I don't mean anything toward you, by my comment. We obviously come from different traditions, and I can't really ever find agreement with how your argument is structured. My conclusions could be wrong, but I won't ever really know without a lot more reading of your thought, which we're both not going to give time to do. I should be more careful how much meaning I load onto the word "you" in comments, I only meant to criticize your written beliefs.

Good luck.