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Re:Catholic group spent millions on app data that tracked ga... by adrianmonk on Thursday March 09, 2023 @12:00PM (#35083491)
They believe that one of the fundamental aspects of the human condition is believing that certain things are right but struggling to live up to it.

They believe that everyone experiences this kind of struggle, but in different ways depending on the person, and that failing at it is inevitable. They believe there is a way for things to be OK even though you fail.

They also believe in an ethical framework where you determine what is right or wrong based not on your own assessment of the pluses and minuses but by following guidance that comes (through scripture, church tradition, etc.) from a higher power whose wisdom is greater than your own.

And they also believe there's some kind of grand plan behind everything, and that the way they fit into this grand plan is to be a priest. They have at some point come to the conclusion that they are supposed to be one, that it is their vocation.

Or at least, within their faith, these beliefs are what is commonly accepted as the right way to look at it. An individual person may or may not actually think or feel exactly like this. Sort of like how one person may become a doctor because they like helping people and someone else may become a doctor because they don't want to disappoint their family.

Re:Catholic group spent millions on app data that tracked ga... by RC_ITR on Thursday March 09, 2023 @02:24PM (#35085447)
They also believe the sin is the act not the desire.

So from their perspective, being hetero-celibate and being homo-celibate is an equal sacrifice.

A major cited driver of a lot of the abuse was that exact line of thinking. Good intentioned people who knew they had bad desires would enter the Priesthood as a framework to not act on those desires, but then they see other Priests being sexually active and just give in.

It also built a network of secrecy - very fine line between covering up your bosses' non-abusive (but in your mind still morally wrong) affair and asking him to cover up your abusive (but in your mind, only equally as morally wrong) activities.

In general, it's one of the arguments for normalizing non-abusive fetishes in the general populace. The more secrecy there is generally, the more truly bad stuff gets covered up.

Re:Catholic group spent millions on app data that tracked ga... by mrguyorama on Thursday March 09, 2023 @02:52PM (#35085757)
Plenty of american christians seem to think the desire is also a sin.
Re:Catholic group spent millions on app data that tracked ga... by jfengel on Thursday March 09, 2023 @03:42PM (#35086393)
That's largely a fundamentalist evangelical thing, and it's theologically dubious.
Re:Catholic group spent millions on app data that tracked ga... by ThunderSizzle on Thursday March 09, 2023 @04:00PM (#35086642)
While Catholics may be Christians, it is disingenuous to assert this is the teaching of the Church or that a majority or plurality of faithful Catholics have this position.

There is a very clear delineation between temptation and sin in the Catholic world.

Re:Catholic group spent millions on app data that tracked ga... by Connor_Creegan on Thursday March 09, 2023 @07:11PM (#35088741)
Did you even read the article? These priests were on Grindr. That is different from experiencing temptation.

"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

Matthew 5:28

Re:Catholic group spent millions on app data that tracked ga... by RC_ITR on Thursday March 09, 2023 @07:43PM (#35089006)
Corinthians 10:13

No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.

Re:Catholic group spent millions on app data that tracked ga... by Connor_Creegan on Thursday March 09, 2023 @08:44PM (#35089430)
I suppose we have reached the classic theological crossroads of the problem of knowingly-entering the near occasion of sin. I can hear the casuistic Jesuits marching nearer.

Do we not believe that something as reckless as the use of a sodomitic networking application is not deserving of discipline of some kind, even if this is not itself a mortal sin? Priests are defrocked for scandal all the time; e.g. the recent defrocking of Fr. Frank Pavone. And this isn't merely any scandal, but the scandal of nearing a sin that cries out to Heaven for vengeance.

Re:Catholic group spent millions on app data that tracked ga... by dang on Thursday March 09, 2023 @11:29PM (#35090400)
We've banned this account for religious flamewar and for using HN primarily for ideological/religious battle, which is definitely not what this site is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Catholic group spent millions on app data that tracked ga... by ononon on Friday March 10, 2023 @12:26AM (#35090729)
Can you explain why my most recent comment was flagged?
Re:Catholic group spent millions on app data that tracked ga... by dang on Friday March 10, 2023 @12:39AM (#35090817)
Users flagged it. We can only guess why users flag things. In this case I think they probably just thought your comment was flamebait—any time a comment is (a) too short to contain much information and (b) the topic is controversial, you're going to get that interpretation. I've turned off the flags now.

While I have you, would you mind reviewing the site guidelines at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html? Among other things, they ask you not to post questions like this in the threads, but rather to ask us at [email protected]. There are a bunch of reasons for that; one is that we're only likely to see your question if you email it to us; and another is that posts like this take discussions off topic.