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Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by sagebird on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @11:40AM (#35071200)
I don't think this is the bystander effect at work here.

(Perhaps initially, as it went from mostly clean to compromised, there was bystander effect plus other effects)

An individual would be suicidal to join the LA Sheriff's force and try to solve it from within.

US military force needs to take control of the department, restructure the command, flush the compromised, and monitor as control is transferred back. That is what we would do if the force were compromised by a foreign force, and the same logic applies.

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @11:48AM (#35071315)
> US military force needs to take control of the department

This is martial law. Los Angeles doesn't need martial law. What you're describing is the DoJ's job.

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by squarefoot on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @02:34PM (#35073679)
No idea of how it works in US Police, but over here a cop would rarely raise a finger, or testify against another cop, save for exceptional cases, and evidence often isn't enough. That otherwise wonderful thing called esprit de corps went clearly too far, becoming in some circles more akin to Mafia's code of silence. That's why might be worth leaving out other cops.
Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by sli on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @03:15PM (#35074147)
That's referred to as the "blue wall of silence" in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_wall_of_silence

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @03:46PM (#35074497)
> might be worth leaving out other cops

DoJ aren’t cops. (FBI are cops.)

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by alephnerd on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @07:38PM (#35076819)
The OIG, ATF, DEA, Marshal Service, and the FBI all agencies within the DoJ, though the FBI has always had signfiicant levels of autonomy within the DoJ compared to the others
Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @10:12PM (#35077918)
Sure, but when one says DoJ it doesn’t refer to the FBI or DEA. (At least in no lawmaking circles I’ve been party to.)
Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by ElevenLathe on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @05:17PM (#35075521)
The status quo is also martial law. Bringing in the Army is an extreme plan and probably a bad idea, but some guys in suits flying in from D.C. to give a powerpoint about police accountability will absolutely not solve this either.
Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by nradov on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @05:21PM (#35075575)
The Posse Comitatus Act bars federal military forces from participating in civilian law enforcement (except in unusual circumstances that don't apply here). And the military doesn't even have the skills to root out police corruption; it's just not their job.

The appropriate response would be for the county or state government to request assistance from the California Highway Patrol and/or Department of Justice.

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by midoridensha on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @09:42PM (#35077767)
The military does have experience in overthrowing existing governments and setting up all-new civilian governments (including police). Perhaps they should try that in LA.
Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by mrexroad on Thursday March 09, 2023 @01:38PM (#35084889)
I can’t tell if you’re serious or simply trolling here. The blunt instrument required to overthrow a government is not at all the same tool required to ensure public safety, not to mention the rooting out corruption. Radically different functions, radically different training, and radically different day to day skills required.
Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by midoridensha on Thursday March 09, 2023 @08:26PM (#35089318)
You're right about the instruments being different, but I'm just pointing out that the US military has, in the past, set up all-new civilian governments in places after bluntly overthrowing the existing governments. In some cases it ended up working out rather well, certainly better than what was there before. So it is absolutely possible, as proven by experience, to use a military power to conquer a place, and then set up a better, democratic, civilian government. Even better, all the places where the military has done this (except Afghanistan) now have much better governments than LA. (Even Afghanistan was better until its government fell because it couldn't defend itself.)