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Re:Governments Should Compete for Residents, Not Businesses by nhchris on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @11:16AM (#35070851)
> Governments (at the behest of businesses) enforce borders so that labor cannot effectively organise.

This is backwards, and I'm having trouble understanding how a more diverse, more transient population would find it easier to find common interests and unite. Suppose a factory unionizes - without borders, the owner will find it easier to import non-union workers. While moving a factory is challenging regardless of borders - it's a big, heavy thing, tied into local infrastructure and supply chains. It's even reflected in the rhetoric - "immigrants will do the jobs Americans won't".

It's also reflected empirically: Whole Foods' heat map says lower rates of racial diversity increase unionization risks - https://www.businessinsider.com/whole-foods-tracks-unionizat... (unpaywalled: http://archive.is/1khJw)

And in the strong Danish unions as far back as 1981 (https://mattbruenig.com/2021/09/20/when-mcdonalds-came-to-de...) when Denmark had only 3.02% of immigrants and their descendants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Denmark#Modern...)

Re:Governments Should Compete for Residents, Not Businesses by nerdponx on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @11:29AM (#35071043)
> easier to find common interests and unite

I think the idea is that there are common interests to be found, but borders artificially keep people apart, by segmenting up legal jurisdictions. For example, why Starbucks employees in Jersey City aren't all that different from Starbucks employees in New York City right across the river.

> Whole Foods' heat map says lower rates of racial diversity increase unionization risks

To what extent is this correlated with the economic security of their employees? Employees in wealthier areas (statistically correlated with whiter) might be more educated on average (which could be correlated with desire to unionize) and/or more likely to have a higher-income partner or family member (which means lower financial risk due to failure or being fired).

Re:Governments Should Compete for Residents, Not Businesses by nhchris on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @11:43AM (#35071240)
> borders artificially keep people apart

GPS data shows how wolf packs carve out territory - https://bigthink.com/hard-science/wolf-gps/

Re:Governments Should Compete for Residents, Not Businesses by nerdponx on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @11:44AM (#35071258)
This is not what I believe, but my attempt at summarizing the point under discussion.
Re:Governments Should Compete for Residents, Not Businesses by slackdog on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @11:47AM (#35071302)
Corporate DEI initiatives using divisive rhetoric designed to foster paranoia, in order to keep workers on edge around each other. ("You're all racist. Even if you think you aren't racist, asserting you have no subconscious racial biases only proves that you're overtly racist. You're constantly commit racist 'microaggression' offenses against your coworkers without even realizing it.")

Such paranoia between coworkers is a serious impediment to labor organization. The more diverse the workplace, the better this works.

Re:Governments Should Compete for Residents, Not Businesses by nerdponx on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @12:37PM (#35072089)
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Re:Governments Should Compete for Residents, Not Businesses by slackdog on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @02:36PM (#35073710)
> My experience has led me to believe that most individuals in favor of corporate DEI initiatives are earnestly and in good faith attempting to put into practice the recommendations of critical race theory and related frameworks.

Yes, of course they are. As explained by Chomsky's model of propaganda, corporations hire true believers for these roles because they are the most effective and reliable.

> most managers and employers are not so crafty

Amazon being so crafty is a documented fact; it's naive to think they're the only ones.

Re:Governments Should Compete for Residents, Not Businesses by nerdponx on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @04:27PM (#35074969)
Chomsky's model of propaganda is a useful model, but it's not an iron law.

Amazon is a great example of a company where I absolutely would not put it past them to use DEI initiatives to try to defeat labor organizing. But in many other cases these initiatives are actually demanded and sought after by employees.

I think in this case the actions of well-meaning people were only appropriated as an oppression tactic after they've caught on in popularity.

History and my own anecdotal experience are not consistent with your implied theory that CRT-driven DEI became popular specifically as an anti-labor capitalist conspiracy.

Re:Governments Should Compete for Residents, Not Businesses by slackdog on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @05:21PM (#35075564)
Incidentally, it was while working at Amazon years ago that I first encountered the divisive and paranoia-inspiring form of DEI training which I described above.
Re:Governments Should Compete for Residents, Not Businesses by pessimizer on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @12:20PM (#35071836)
> I'm having trouble understanding how a more diverse, more transient population would find it easier to find common interests and unite.

I think it would make it far easier. The problem is every jurisdiction attacking unions and workers in their own unique legal frameworks, and the forcing of unions/workforces to compete with each other across the borders between these jurisdictions. Capital gets to play Mexican against Indonesian workers, even down to workers in Cook County against workers in DuPage county.

If an Indonesian can easily work in Mexico and a Mexican can easily work in Indonesia, their interests aren't just theoretically similar, they're almost the same.