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Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @09:46AM (#35069548)
> everyone knows that the LA Sheriff's Department has been heavily infiltrated by gangs like the Compton Executioners

Would note that this isn’t infiltration by street gangs as much as deputies forming gangs.

> state and county level, people just kind of ignore it

I am from the Bay Area. This is the first I’m hearing about it. I do wish we had a more neutral source than the Rolling Stone.

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by starkparker on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @09:53AM (#35069653)
Define "neutral" and I can find one, because they've been reported on and named publicly for 50 years.

Here's a 50-page summary from Loyola Law School: https://lmu.app.box.com/s/uci2ir4mkpudtvvfp7z8iu4kv1gre1dj

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @10:08AM (#35069873)
This is a better source. It also shows these cliques are on a spectrum from over-the-top comradery to violent gang behaviour.
Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by yboris on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @11:22AM (#35070918)
Consider the Media Bias Chart https://adfontesmedia.com/gallery/

You can see that Rolling Stone skews left and is lower than the peak of reliability.

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by ashwagary on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @12:17PM (#35071789)
There are ex-members of that police department giving video interviews about the Executioners gang threatening and killing innocent people.

I dont understand how you can claim media bias is at the core of this story.

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by yboris on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @12:30PM (#35071995)
This is not my claim. I am replying to someone who said above

> Define "neutral" and I can find one

I think I misunderstood their comment to say "I don't understand why you are claiming Rolling Stone is not neutral". Sorry.

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by silisili on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @06:53PM (#35076420)
Thanks for the link. That largely matches my perceptions, so it at least passes my smell test.

That said, I find it rather odd the absolute highest quality news achievable is...ABC15 in Arizona. Kinda feel they should leave local stations off altogether.

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by smsm42 on Saturday March 11, 2023 @03:40PM (#35112461)
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Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by yboris on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @09:51AM (#35151499)
Hard to know what "center" is in a country where even the "left" is arguably to the right of the "right" in Europe. The US's "right" is so-far-extreme-right, there's no similar extreme in Europe. All as far as I can tell (not an expert).
Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by macNchz on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @09:52AM (#35069646)
> I do wish we had a more neutral source than the Rolling Stone.

The wikipedia article on this cites several reputable looking sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by kodah on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @10:09AM (#35069887)
> The report identifies at “least a half dozen” active gangs and cliques — and names them: the Executioners, the Banditos, the Regulators, the Spartans, the Gladiators, the Cowboys, and the Reapers.

This list isn't exhaustive but many of these are civilian gangs, so it's probably a case of both.

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by aerostable_slug on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @02:53PM (#35073912)
The law enforcement Banditos are not affiliated with the outlaw-motorcycle-centric gang of the same name. A Sheriff's "Bandito" might earn his ink by shooting a 1% "Bandito".

There are of course corrupt members of law enforcement who collaborate with organized crime for various nefarious purposes, but the in-department gangs are a distinct issue.

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by sli on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @03:18PM (#35074179)
I know what you're saying, but it needs to be stated that police are also civilians.
Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by kodah on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @03:37PM (#35074414)
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civilian

It specifically mentions armed services, police, and firefighters are not civilians.

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by true_religion on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @04:00PM (#35074651)
I’m more surprised that firefighters aren’t civilians, but EMTs are. Its not a blanket definition for all emergency services.
Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by whythre on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @04:59PM (#35075323)
Bizarrely, we Americans treat our EMTs worse than other first responders. They are trained to a lower standard and paid less but still have demanding hours and lots of stress.
Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by nradov on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @05:32PM (#35075699)
That dictionary definition is simply factually and legally wrong. US law is very clear about who is and is not a civilian. Anyone acting as a sheriff's deputy is 100% a civilian. (Some deputies are also military Reserve or National Guard members, but when activated they are no longer acting as civilian peace officers.)
Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by kodah on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @06:24PM (#35076177)
Your definition is correct under international law, but that definition mainly aims to serve policies governing war, so it's not especially apt here.

Civilian in law enforcement jargon means a non-sworn position: https://www.discoverpolicing.org/explore-the-field/civilian-...

To make this more interesting, Posse Comitatus employs the language to signal "non-Federal forces" eg: National Guard activated by a state to operate domestically are referred to as "civilian law enforcement".

In any of the above cases, calling LEOs civilians would be incorrect and would eschew them of many of their responsibilities.

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by the_lonely_road on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @03:27PM (#35074303)
I googled civilian and the dictionary response Google presented disagrees with you. I don't have an opinion on the topic just pointing it out.
Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by effingwewt on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @10:30AM (#35070207)
You should read the Wikipedia entry[1].

It very much is gangs infiltrating LAPD and SO.

On top of that, they also have their own cliques or gangs that form within.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by cptcobalt on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @11:48AM (#35071323)
institutional corruption so transparent that there's a well-sourced wikipedia page
Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by mint2 on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @11:02AM (#35070649)
LA times has been reporting on the problem deputy gangs for years. The new part in this article is how high up their members are but it’s also captain obvious reporting as the gang members have had decades to make it up there. Still good for it to be explicitly called out.

I haven’t seen any reports in Bay Area papers but it’s been reported on in LA. It’s been local news. Similarly Californian don’t hear about >90% of the scandals in Chicago.

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by Balgair on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @11:27AM (#35071003)
> This is the first I’m hearing about it.

The corruption in southland policing departments is absolutely nothing new. Rampart comes easily to mind here, but the list is unfortunately a long one and wikipedia has many documented examples.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampart_scandal

Rampart, for instance, was such a large media issue that they even made a movie about it. Not a small one either: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1640548/

EDIT: Dorner should also ring a lot of bells too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner_shootings_a...

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by tstrimple on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @03:32PM (#35074360)
I need to get off the internet. I thought the rampart scandal was about Woody Harrelson's disastrous AMA on Reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/p9a1v/im_woody_harrel...

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by voltaireodactyl on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @04:09PM (#35074760)
They’re related — the AMA was the scandal around the PR for the movie based on the scandal ;)
Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by thtmnisamnstr on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @01:50PM (#35073142)
You've probably heard about this before and didn't realize it. Did you watch Training Day? That whole movie was centered around the leader of a cop gang.
Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by valdiorn on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @01:55PM (#35073209)
Den of Thieves as well. In that movie they're actually doing their job as police but they're clearly a gang within the police force who routinely break the law and abuse their position for personal gain. They even very clearly describe themselves as a gang in one scene.
Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by inconceivable on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @05:32PM (#35075694)
'the shield' is a TV show about this from the 2000s era. it probably doesn't hold up very well today but at the time it was pretty groundbreaking.
Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by hutzlibu on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @02:43PM (#35073791)
"This is the first I’m hearing about it. I do wish we had a more neutral source than the Rolling Stone."

How about that outstanding episode:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Resources_Against_St...

Well documented and was the base for "GTA San Andreas" and "Training Day". And even though it has been 20 years now, the problem seems far from solved.

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by teachrdan on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @06:06PM (#35076030)
If you're from the Bay Area, you may want to read "The Riders Come out at Night," about a gang within the Oakland Police Department. (and more generally about organized misconduct by the OPD in recent history)

https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Riders-Come-Out-a...

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by t-3 on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @08:14PM (#35077129)
Just an aside, as I don't live in CA and haven't followed the current scandal, but you should take it as a matter of fact that police departments in all major cities of the US have been formally and informally infiltrated by street gangs. For the past 10-20 years all major orgs have reoriented from physical control towards establishing political and social influence and co-opting powerful antagonistic organizations is a big part of that.
Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by skissane on Thursday March 09, 2023 @06:52AM (#35080361)
Here in Australia - I’ve heard of police corruption, but never heard of corrupt police forming a gang. I can’t remember hearing anything about that in the UK or New Zealand or Canada either. Is this another one of those “only in America” things?

Well, I’m sure not only in America-a lot of developing countries I wouldn’t be surprised if such things existed too-but not the countries the US would want to be compared to

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by AwaAwa on Thursday March 09, 2023 @11:06AM (#35082742)
> never heard of corrupt police forming a gang. I can’t remember hearing anything about that in the UK or New Zealand or Canada either.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I can certainly speak to that effect as a Canadian aware of at least one similar 'police gang'

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by skissane on Thursday March 09, 2023 @01:05PM (#35084452)
> I can certainly speak to that effect as a Canadian aware of at least one similar 'police gang'

What’s it called? Where is it?

Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by oldskewlcool on Thursday March 09, 2023 @10:26PM (#35090033)
Re:Gang Members Hold Positions at ‘Highest Levels’ of LA She... by skissane on Friday March 10, 2023 @05:53PM (#35102409)
Neither article mentions a "deputy gang". It just talks about ordinary police misconduct and corruption, which happens anywhere. It never mentions corrupt police forming a gang with an identifiable name, emblem, membership, etc – which is something I've never heard of outside of the US.