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Re:Initial support for guided disk encryption in OpenBSD ins... by aspyct on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @04:22AM (#35066910)
Yes. And then when you ask why the X11 server is bundled by default, even on a headless install, that's not in the FAQ, and they get very defensive about it...

What I'm saying is: it's probably a great OS with great documentation, but the community isn't welcoming at all.

Re:Initial support for guided disk encryption in OpenBSD ins... by sarnowski on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @04:37AM (#35067008)
There are packages like image libraries, Java etc that rely on X11 libraries. The safe default is to have it around.

You can always choose to not install all X* packages. In fact, for a server oftentimes you don’t need more than the base package (you barely need a compiler either or games).

Re:Initial support for guided disk encryption in OpenBSD ins... by aspyct on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @04:40AM (#35067023)
Again, not saying it's a bad choice. Just saying the community is not welcoming.
Re:Initial support for guided disk encryption in OpenBSD ins... by libele on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @04:39AM (#35067021)
nothing is "bundled" by default. the x11 file sets are optional.

https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#FilesNeeded

Re:Initial support for guided disk encryption in OpenBSD ins... by mburee on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @04:34AM (#35066987)
Can't you just not select the X-related file sets during installation?
Re:Initial support for guided disk encryption in OpenBSD ins... by aspyct on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @04:40AM (#35067030)
No, and apparently it's for a good reason, but don't ask why.
Re:Initial support for guided disk encryption in OpenBSD ins... by sarnowski on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @04:56AM (#35067130)
You absolutely can and if you know that you don’t install software that needs it, there is no reason to install X during installation.
Re:Initial support for guided disk encryption in OpenBSD ins... by aspyct on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @05:02AM (#35067168)
That's not the answer I got on their IRC a few years back.
Re:Initial support for guided disk encryption in OpenBSD ins... by enriquto on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @05:17AM (#35067253)
So, a random person on #openbsd once said you to RTFM and you are still salty a few years after? My (also anecdotal) experience with the openbsd community is very positive, so here's that.
Re:Initial support for guided disk encryption in OpenBSD ins... by aspyct on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @06:04AM (#35067563)
I wouldn't waste a second writing about it if it happened only once.
Re:Initial support for guided disk encryption in OpenBSD ins... by ninjin on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @08:18AM (#35068623)
#openbsd on Libera is unofficial last time I checked. The only official communication channel would be misc@ for a question such as this.
Re:Initial support for guided disk encryption in OpenBSD ins... by daneel_w on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @08:22AM (#35068668)
"They" don't have an "IRC". #openbsd on Freenode/Libera is an unofficial venue. The channel isn't endorsed by the project or the foundation. In some moments you run into friendly people, and in other moments you run into angry people. It's not an OpenBSD thing. As someone who has been a regular in #openbsd for some 20 years I will assure that it's mostly friendly and helpful.
Re:Initial support for guided disk encryption in OpenBSD ins... by e12e on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @05:45AM (#35067434)
> And then when you ask why the X11 server is bundled by default, even on a headless install, that's not in the FAQ

https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#FilesNeeded

> New users are recommended to install all of them.

> Some libraries from xbase72.tgz, like freetype or fontconfig, can be used outside of X by programs that manipulate text or graphics. Such programs will usually need fonts, either from xfont72.tgz or font packages. For the sake of simplicity, the developers decided against maintaining a minimal xbase72.tgz set that would allow most non-X ports to run.

On a server, you need x11 clients and xauth, if you want to run x11 programs via ssh x11 forwarding.

Re:Initial support for guided disk encryption in OpenBSD ins... by Zurrrrr on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @08:10AM (#35068555)
> New users are recommended to install all of them.

That's kind of bullshit though. If someone has plenty of experience with *nix OSs then OBSD isn't that strange, and a 'new' user asking a reasonable question should not be greeting with attitude.