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Re:France comes to standstill livid workers protest plan to ... by m463 on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @09:13PM (#35064338)
> "Giving old people money for free "

uh, didn't the old people finance their own social security? Didn't they give up money their whole lives to finance their homes? Don't they contribute to society in other less-measurable ways?

That said, there could be some ways to retire, but be able to work in such a way that retirement is not adversely affected. Some of my friends who retired had to carefully not work or social security was adversely affected.

Re:France comes to standstill livid workers protest plan to ... by astrange on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @10:41PM (#35064941)
> uh, didn't the old people finance their own social security?

No, that's the original marketing but the payments you get out of it aren't related to the ones you put into it i.e. they're just a tax to fund the program.

Re:France comes to standstill livid workers protest plan to ... by skrause on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @12:51AM (#35065712)
Really depends on the country. In Germany the payments you get out of it are related to the ones you put into it and are separate from the taxes.
Re:France comes to standstill livid workers protest plan to ... by manuelmoreale on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @01:19AM (#35065858)
Same in Italy but it’s related to how much you paid, it’s not the same money. The money I’m currently paying are used to finance pensions to people retired now.

When I’ll retire (will never happen at this rate) I’ll get a pension that’s based on how much I contributed but the money will come from people who will still be working.

Re:France comes to standstill livid workers protest plan to ... by majormajor on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @10:43PM (#35064952)
> In the original Act benefits were to be paid only to the primary worker when he/she retired at age 65. Benefits were to be based on payroll tax contributions that the worker made during his/her working life. Taxes would first be collected in 1937 and monthly benefits would begin in 1942. (Under amendments passed in 1939, payments were advanced to 1940.)

That's from https://www.ssa.gov/history/briefhistory3.html - so generally, the old were financed by the younger at inception, and that's basically continued ever since. Nobody funded their own SSN fully between 1937 and 1940.

That sort of insurance is still a good idea.

The "house" part of the person you're replying to's post is interesting: "Giving old people money for free when their 10x more valuable houses inflate the market"

By definition, anyone whose house is 10x more valuable than it was when they bought it is not inflating the market. The people buying at the new price are the ones driving the current valuation of that house.

But constrained supply does also come into play; and other forms of social assistance are conditional on income levels and such; it wouldn't be totally unreasonable or unprecedented to make some benefits conditional on assets in cases like that - if you're sitting on a 900k asset, maybe leverage that first if you don't otherwise have any savings? And in doing so, open up that spot for a younger generation that still has to commute, etc?

Re:France comes to standstill livid workers protest plan to ... by m463 on Thursday March 09, 2023 @05:03PM (#35087408)
> anyone whose house is 10x more valuable

Also, it might be the relative value of money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_dollar#Value

The $30,000 paid for a 1960 house would be worth $223,000 50 years later in 2010.