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Re:Zero energy ready homes are coming by prottog on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @06:04PM (#35062602)
> without subsidies from the inner core

Like how the residents of New York City are able to get the food and water it needs all produced within the five boroughs? Or is that a different kind of "subsidy" from the hinterlands.

Re:Zero energy ready homes are coming by xthrown1 on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @06:13PM (#35062702)
A subsidy means you pay less for something than you would on the open market. Cities not only pay the market price for all those products the majority of their taxes go out to the hinterlands on top of that.
Re:Zero energy ready homes are coming by prottog on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @06:27PM (#35062885)
Cities pay market price for food coming from the hinterlands but at the same time they pay a subsidy to the same hinterlands that grow that same food? Doesn't sound like market price anymore.

It's nonsensical to say that just because the tax receipts of a suburb doesn't pay in full its roads and bridges, its existence is necessarily subsidized by the rest. Does a city pay in full for its share of the US Navy whose protection of global commerce it depends on to survive? Are cities subsidized by the blood of those in the armed forces, who primarily come from the hinterlands?

Re:Zero energy ready homes are coming by xthrown1 on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @06:39PM (#35063009)
The majority of US taxes come from cities. It's the hinterlands that are free riding on the US armed forces.
Re:Zero energy ready homes are coming by IncRnd on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @07:12PM (#35063361)
> It's the hinterlands that are free riding on the US armed forces.

Yet.

"In every region of the country, recruitment rates were higher in rural and exurban counties than in urban counties. Only urban counties in the South had recruitment rates above the national average. Cities in the Northeast, Midwest and West all had rates well below the national average." [1]

[1] https://dailyyonder.com/largest-share-army-recruits-come-rur...

Re:Zero energy ready homes are coming by xthrown1 on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @08:34PM (#35064013)
We can always hire cheaper foreign mercenaries. It's not like the current US army is actually needed for defending the US.
Re:Zero energy ready homes are coming by zeroonetwothree on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @01:27AM (#35065900)
It’s absolute numbers that matter, not rates.
Re:Zero energy ready homes are coming by roywiggins on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @06:13PM (#35062711)
Are the hinterlands selling food to cities below cost? Probably not. It's not a subsidy.
Re:Zero energy ready homes are coming by prottog on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @06:19PM (#35062789)
Then who's selling roads and bridges and other services to suburbs below cost?
Re:Zero energy ready homes are coming by xthrown1 on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @06:46PM (#35063088)
The US government.
Re:Zero energy ready homes are coming by TheCoelacanth on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @06:54PM (#35063176)
Food is produced by rural areas, not by suburbs. Suburbs produce nothing that cities can't produce.
Re:Zero energy ready homes are coming by ars on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @10:34PM (#35064903)
Suburbs produce places for rural residents to get services.

Or were you planning on creating isolated servants in rural area who only work all day and never go anywhere?

Re:Zero energy ready homes are coming by TheCoelacanth on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @09:48AM (#35069577)
In my experience, rural folks go to small towns and small cities for services, not to suburbs. There are no services provided in suburban sprawl except for housing for the residents.