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Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by georgelyon on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @01:24PM (#35059022)
I've long desired form my AirPods to operate in a "play any sound from any of my devices" mode. This seems like a no-brainer and such phantom connections would as a result have no user-visible impact and you could do things like listen to music coming from your phone while hearing sounds from your MacBook.
Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by mgkimsal on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @01:42PM (#35059302)
Unsure if I would love or hate that, but it might be more natural than the iphone/airpods/mac "incoming call" fiasco I face regularly.

Airpods/MacOS - listening to background music. Phone call comes in... VERY LOUD facetime 'ring' announces on mac that I'm getting a phone call.

Pick up phone to answer it... holy tamole - it's minimum 8 seconds between clicking 'answer' and... eventually airpods switching over to phone - most of the time. To the calling party, I've 'answered', but they can't hear me - or... can sort of hear me, but I can't hear them. The speed at which the 'switch' takes place, and the visual delay (air pod icons turning on, then off, then on again, then a floating top notification saying "airpods connected"...)... this is always minimum 8 seconds. Usually 10-11.

I just say "hang on, i'm switching my earpiece over..." and wait. Annoying. Given that this is all in their ecosystem, I expect this to get better, not worse. I'd rather this sort of experience get fixed vs more emojis, or 'sidecar' or whatnot.

Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by leipert on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @01:49PM (#35059397)
Honest question: Why don’t you answer the call from the Mac? Or do you have that continuity feature disabled?
Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by mgkimsal on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @01:58PM (#35059550)
I usually want to walk away from the computer. I sit at the computer enough already. If a call comes in, I want - sometimes need - to be able to walk away.

The long/short of it is, both devices 'know' about the airpods. Call comes in to phone, during an answer, having airpods switch to the phone quickly - like, under 2 seconds - is what I'm expecting. I'm not sure that's an unreasonable expectation (maybe it is?). At some point, I would think, given all the neural-core-AI stuff in the phones and ecosystem, it should know that I always switch airpods to phone to talk... maybe do it automatically at some point?

The phone now knows my daily routine, giving me traffic updates 10 minutes before I normally leave to hit the gym. Yet... the 'fill in your email' prompts on the phone suggest 'my' email address is something I have not actively used in 11 years. I don't understand the 'why' behind some of these things. If the device is going to learn... when will it learn I don't use that email address any longer? Obviously separate issue, but... as has gone on for decades - we get loads of new features, but often little attention paid to clean up and refine last year's new features.

Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by freemanofthewan on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @02:36PM (#35060076)
This "why" has been growing since Steve passed. I have been an Apple user for 20+ years. The experience has been slowly going downhill for the last 5 years. I think they survived on Steve's vision for the first couple of years after his passing. The brains behind Apple are still there, clearly, M1, M2... the vision is missing. The why's you mention seem to be those unpolished pieces Steve would never have allowed the release of.
Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by mgkimsal on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @03:13PM (#35060543)
This is why I (and many others) I think still have some fond memories of Snow Leopard, marketed as 'bug fix' release. That feels like the last time there was a united push to polish up existing stuff without throwing in 'new' things.
Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by officeplant on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @03:39PM (#35060880)
I just remember being glad it was only $29.
Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by taneq on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @06:59PM (#35063231)
This is one of those lessons that we as a software dev community seem unable to absorb. Polish is universally better received than flaky new features, and the releases we view most fondly are the ones that are fast and reliable, and yet we never seem capable of holding off on the new features to fix existing pain points.
Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by lmm on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @09:57PM (#35064629)
> Polish is universally better received than flaky new features, and the releases we view most fondly are the ones that are fast and reliable

It's far from universal. Most users never expect to understand their software in the first place, and so put a lot more value on new features. If anything I'd say developers put too much effort into polish, since we're the very small demographic that actually appreciates it.

Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by RulerOf on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @02:18PM (#35059842)
I've often said that Airpods are the best bluetooth headphones I've ever bought, and they still suck.
Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by sroussey on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @02:12PM (#35059756)
Why have the Mac ring if you don’t answer from the Mac? I turned that off in settings. Still text via Mac though!
Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by mgkimsal on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @03:17PM (#35060580)
"settings" is vague. I looked in system settings - nothing there. Apparently, it's a 'facetime' setting? Will this make switching 'audio from mac via airpods' to 'audio from iphone via airpods' any faster?
Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by givinguflac on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @04:52PM (#35061780)
You should be able to tap the speakerphone icon on your iPhone, choose AirPods, and they’ll switch immediately in my experience
Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by mgkimsal on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @09:48PM (#35064581)
“Immediately” is not the word. As the phone is answered, it’s trying to automatically switch. Pressing that key while it’s in the process of auto switch just confuses it, and typically stops the switch process altogether. Then you have to do it again.

Fwiw, this seemed to work smoothly two years ago. And then… updates. AirPod firmware updates. iPhone updates. macOS updates. Nothing works the same as it did 2 years ago for maybe … 2 months or so. And there’s no going back. :(

Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by leipert on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @05:30PM (#35062202)
That makes sense! I don’t use my AirPods with my work MacBook, as I have separate Apple IDs. So the continuity feature doesn’t work for me anyhow.

Also: I don’t get a lot of calls anyway. But when I do, I tend to wander around as well. So it makes complete sense.

Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by saagarjha on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @02:54AM (#35066414)
While not a solution to your problem, you can answer the call on your Mac and hand it off to your phone.
Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by AdamGibbins on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @02:59PM (#35060371)
I disabled that as it has some very confusing and undesired behaviour. For example if you're listening to Spotify on your Mac, then get a call on your iPhone you hit pause on your keyboard media keys so you can pick up the call - and it hangs up.
Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by chrisfinazzo on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @03:16PM (#35060568)
This was one of the first things I disabled with Continuity. As for why, it's not that complicated.

1) It's a distraction. I am also one of those people who turned on "Silence unknown callers" to send everyone I don't know to voicemail. If it's important, you'll get a message there. My phone either lives in my pocket or is on the desk next to me, so it's very unlikely I'd miss something.

2) At least with AirPods, although I have "connect automatically" turned on, I will never intentionally connect them to more than one source at a time.

Therin lies madness and bugs.

Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by officeplant on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @03:37PM (#35060859)
Idk how you live without silence unknown callers. I get an upwards of 20 spam calls a day interrupting me otherwise while using the phone.
Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by chrisfinazzo on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @03:40PM (#35060893)
I do use it, not sure how that was unclear.
Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by officeplant on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @03:43PM (#35060927)
Ah sorry, My brain completely fumbled your sentence.
Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by chrisfinazzo on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @03:48PM (#35060988)
No worries,

I had to reread my own sentence to make sure I wasn't being a complete moron.

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Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by zakki on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @03:36PM (#35060841)
I feel many objections to Apple’s products behavior are responded with “a suggestion “ to just follow Apple way.
Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by leipert on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @05:27PM (#35062155)
Oh. I wasn’t objecting. I am not getting many calls, maybe one a week, but the explanation of “picking up and wandering around” makes complete sense.
Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by taneq on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @06:55PM (#35063185)
Such an obvious feature… you would think! Apparently it’s not that easy, though, because nobody seems able to do it.
Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by makeitdouble on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @08:05PM (#35063803)
The more I think about it, the more complex it sounds to me ....

Let's say you're listening to a Youtube MV on your computer while cleaning the dishes. A Skype call comes on your phone, and you take it.

- Do you still hear the youtube sound in the background ?

- What does the play/pause button do on your earbuds ? Or the volume button ? Which source does it act on ?

- An alarm starts on your iPad somewhere in the house, how do you stop it ? Do you keep getting the sound until you physically find the device and act on it ?

And that's just 2 min of thinking about it. Not saying it can't be done, just that you'd need to deal with all the edge cases as well. Auto switching sources is annoying (I personally disabled it when I had airpods, and don't use it on any headset), but I think having all sources active at all time could be as annoying, or worse. If Apple couldn't solve auto-switching, I wouldn't be holding my breath for them to solve the all-devices at the same times edge cases.

Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by taneq on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @06:38AM (#35067806)
Oh, definitely! Even on a single device, some of these are issues. Does ‘play’ play winamp, or that YouTube tab, or VLC? Hopefully not all three! Now consider what volume each of these needs to be, especially if one is an online meeting and one’s a noisy voice call.

There’s a reason it’s a shambles.

Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by makeitdouble on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @07:39PM (#35063601)
What you’re requesting seem pretty complex, or at least resource intensive to me.

It means the airPods keep X active connections with any device that says it could emit sound at any time, while also harmonizing sound levels as the devices don’t have the same settings, and mixing it all at the end.

That feels like a lot to ask for tiny devices with limited battery. Now that could be a nice idea for a separate device that keeps all these bluetooth connection alive and deals with all the mess to deliver a single stream to your earbuds (albeit with double the latency)

Re:Closing your MacBook hardware disconnects microphone, saf... by sgtnoodle on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @04:35AM (#35066990)
Connect the devices all together with wifi direct to share and mix audio. Then have whichever device is connected to the earbuds send the mixed stream. The extra bandwidth of 802.11 would also allow for additional latency on the order of milliseconds.