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Re:Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin by eyelidlessness on Monday March 06, 2023 @08:30PM (#35050323)
Begrudgingly-former Adium (~Mac equivalent of Pidgin) user here: it was glorious indeed!

I didn’t take it for granted because I had already been using the prior iteration of incompatible chat apps soup, and I clung to it far longer than most reasonable people would as it became a ghost town on supported protocols.

The biggest exodus at the time (from my perspective) was when Google closed up whatever their current branded chat service was. But the real nail in the coffin (again from my perspective) was Slack, for the fairly obvious reasons that chat is their primary product and active/paying users is their primary product. Of course the rise of other chat-first apps successful with the youngs, and well positioned instant incumbents from social media, the coffin had many nails.

But it really is a shame this era came to an end. I don’t know how it could have gone differently given the incentives and circumstances, but I’d go back to those tradeoffs (basically everything works in one native app where I can talk to anyone I know however I want to, but probably direct file transfers are gonna fail most of the time) in a heartbeat.

Re:Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin by corndoge on Monday March 06, 2023 @08:42PM (#35050424)
Matrix is working on bringing that world back, and works pretty well, although configuring a homeserver with the necessary bridges is more difficult than pidgin was.
Re:Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin by rw_grim on Monday March 06, 2023 @08:48PM (#35050469)
We're still here!! And there's a ton of support for stuff via third party protocols. I know it's not ideal, but things will get easier when Pidgin 3 finally gets closer to a release.

See this page for a list of all the third party protocol support https://pidgin.im/plugins/?publisher=all&query=&type=Protoco...

Re:Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin by corndoge on Monday March 06, 2023 @10:28PM (#35051191)
Great to hear it's alive and kicking!
Re:Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin by grishka on Monday March 06, 2023 @09:45PM (#35050904)
And there's still not a single decent Matrix client for macOS. Best case you get some ugly-ass QT thing that doesn't work anything like a macOS app would. The official and most featureful Matrix client is even worse than that, it's an electron app, ugh.

The Matrix protocol itself sometimes also leaves much to be desired. It's much more modern than XMPP, that's true, but the fact that you can't send an image with text in a single message is just... How did everyone involved decide that it's reasonable? Did people design the UX on top of a protocol when it should always be done the other way around?

Re:Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin by ptman on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @03:11AM (#35052872)
There is a spec change proposal for fixing this: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec-proposals/pull/253...
Re:Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin by Nextgrid on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @07:34AM (#35054613)
It's ironic that out of the non-iMessage chat clients, Facebook Messenger, despite being web-based, is the closest we have to the Apple UI.
Re:Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin by grishka on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @09:30AM (#35055719)
Which specific Facebook messenger UI are you talking about? There are two just on the web alone.

The main issue I'm having with every single of the modern IM apps is that they combine the chat list and the chat switcher into a single control. It's part of the overall unfortunate trend of touchscreen-ification of desktop UIs. Tabbed chat windows need to make a comeback, yesterday.

Re:Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin by Nextgrid on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @05:11PM (#35061993)
Facebook Messenger on the web looks (or looked? My last encounter with it was in 2017) the closest to a native iOS/macOS client even to this day: https://i1.wp.com/ensegundos.do/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/m...
Re:Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin by grishka on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @01:53PM (#35073189)
This still has the problem of touchscreen-ification. I'm talking more about this sort of thing: https://i.imgur.com/uRkrpb0.png, this example isn't the best (the UI is confusing and too cryptic), but you get the idea. Separate window with chat/contact list, separate tabbed window with chats themselves.
Re:Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin by xorcist on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @06:05AM (#35053991)
In practice it's mostly whatever Jabber had, which is mostly whatever libpurple has.

We're not really moving forward with the proprietary chat protocols (Slack, Teams, Whatsapp). It is a much, much harder problem to solve than MSN and Yahoo ever was.

Re:Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin by rw_grim on Monday March 06, 2023 @08:47PM (#35050459)
You may be interested to know that Pidgin 3 is targeting macOS natively. We don't have a release date yet, but we are inching closer and closer to an alpha which I've written a blog post about what we're targeting with it. Yes this is on patreon but it's public https://www.patreon.com/posts/what-were-with-3-78291546
Re:Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin by eyelidlessness on Monday March 06, 2023 @09:03PM (#35050585)
What the what?! You’re damn right I’m interested to know.
Re:Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin by rw_grim on Monday March 06, 2023 @09:29PM (#35050783)
You might also be interested in my State of the Bird presentations as well that happen quarterly. https://pidgin.im/posts/2023-01-state-of-the-bird-2022-q4/
Re:Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin by zamadatix on Monday March 06, 2023 @08:56PM (#35050535)
Thank you for all of the work on Pidgin over the years.
Re:Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin by rw_grim on Monday March 06, 2023 @10:43PM (#35051275)
You're very welcome, thanks for using it!
Re:Purple-Teams: MS Teams Plugin for Pidgin by filmgirlcw on Monday March 06, 2023 @09:02PM (#35050579)
When Apple dropped iChat it hurt too. I agree with you that Google was the mail in the coffin but the fact that there was no way for me to go from my .Mac iChat account to iMessage seamlessly (I could use the same ID but had to add everyone as contacts again).

Slack was definitely a major blow. I used Campfire at work but we still had to use other services, usually gChat, to message privately. When we migrated to Slack in 2014 or whatever, we now had a service that allowed private messaging AND had mobile apps too — something that the old era of the Adium/Pidgin/Trillian’s never quite executed on (I know there were mobile AIM and gChat clients back in the day; I had AIM on my SideKick in high school and a number of decentish apps on iOS even, but those protocols just weren’t ever designed or well-adapted/executed to push messaging a la BBM or iMessage or SMS the way it needed to be — largely thanks to the wireless carriers who wanted to keep a hold of that pure profit SMS for as long as possible.) We had mobile-first/mobile-only services like WhatsApp (which immediately took off outside the US) and the GroupMe’s had some success too, but those services were slow to support (if they ever did) XMPP or other bridges to get them working on desktop), so Slack was a nice unifier.

I loved Adium for so long. I even had a Slack bridge I think in it at some point. But I had to finally let it go and remove it from my dock.

I pay for Beeper today, but I don’t use it as much as I would like. But it remains one of the better ways for me to recreate the world I had 10 and 15 years ago.