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Re:Rapid growth, lessons learned and improvements at Fly.io by LunaSea on Monday March 06, 2023 @05:48PM (#35048892)
I have never seen a company without Google Search, Google Chrome, AWS, Microsoft 360 and the lot.

Which alternatives are they based on?

Re:Rapid growth, lessons learned and improvements at Fly.io by fcantournet on Monday March 06, 2023 @06:16PM (#35049234)
Those would not contain PII from your users though, unless you have terrible policies about copying personal information in random Google Docs.
Re:Rapid growth, lessons learned and improvements at Fly.io by cavisne on Monday March 06, 2023 @08:55PM (#35050527)
Companies have to guess what is PII and what is not, the EU have no idea (other than they know which companies they want to punish)
Re:Rapid growth, lessons learned and improvements at Fly.io by e12e on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @02:28AM (#35052578)
The GDPR is quite clear on defining PII, I don't understand why you would claim otherwise?
Re:Rapid growth, lessons learned and improvements at Fly.io by fmajid on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @05:57AM (#35053935)
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Re:Rapid growth, lessons learned and improvements at Fly.io by LunaSea on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @03:25AM (#35052972)
All of these will absolutely contain PII every time.
Re:Rapid growth, lessons learned and improvements at Fly.io by tpxl on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @07:58AM (#35054798)
Nice bit of FUD you got there.

You can use Google Search and be 100% compliant, because Google doesn't see any customer data. Google chrome isn't even a service, I can't imagine how you'd manage to stick customer data in there.

And if you think there are no companies without AWS and Microsoft 360, you need to expand your horizon. I work for one such company, and so do many of my peers.

Re:Rapid growth, lessons learned and improvements at Fly.io by LunaSea on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @08:24AM (#35055024)
Google Chrome through telemetry and account history synchronisation which log PII in URLs and searched.

Google Search will see PII go by if your marketing team is researching leads on LinkedIn for example.

> And if you think there are no companies without AWS and Microsoft 360, you need to expand your horizon. I work for one such company, and so do many of my peers.

And that's great.

What is the services stack your company is implementing?

What kind of alternatives do you use for your email, browser, centralised data storage, etc. ?

Re:Rapid growth, lessons learned and improvements at Fly.io by tpxl on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @06:25AM (#35067720)
I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or you said 'AWS' and 'Microsoft 360' and meant cloud and managed email.

> What kind of alternatives do you use for your email, browser, centralised data storage, etc. ?

There are plenty of browser alternatives (firefox, safari, vivaldi, even chromium).

There are dozens if not hundreds of email providers, and you can even provide your own.

You can 'centralize data storage' on disks on hardware you own, on premises or colocated. You could even use one of the dozens to hundreds of managed service and cloud providers.

Re:Rapid growth, lessons learned and improvements at Fly.io by LunaSea on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @11:12AM (#35070795)
> I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or you said 'AWS' and 'Microsoft 360' and meant cloud and managed email.

I meant both clouds and managed email / storages services.

> safari

Don't both Firefox and Safari have telemetry and various ping back services?

> There are dozens if not hundreds of email providers, and you can even provide your own.

> You can 'centralize data storage' on disks on hardware you own, on premises or colocated. You could even use one of the dozens to hundreds of managed service and cloud providers.

Sure you can, I'm just saying that it is rarely if ever done in medium to large companies.

Re:Rapid growth, lessons learned and improvements at Fly.io by dividedbyzero on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @08:14AM (#35054944)
There are also lots of companies that use AWS etc. for everything but customer PII and keep that in some SAP system on-prem.
Re:Rapid growth, lessons learned and improvements at Fly.io by arnorhs on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @07:49AM (#35054717)
So there is nothing in eu laws preventing you from opting into using these services. What _is_ prohibited is having a EU based product/service where your users are not aware that by using a service their data will be stored under us jurisdiction.

That is not the same as using us based products