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Re:Rapid growth, lessons learned and improvements at Fly.io by anurag on Monday March 06, 2023 @04:33PM (#35047954)
(Render founder) I'd love to understand why you think this is the only outcome. Render has positive gross margin and a clear path to profitability based on both our growth so far and the tailwinds in this space. I'm also aware of other companies like ours that have grown all the way to IPO or are well on their way.

I'm very explicit both internally and externally that an acquisition is a failure mode for Render. We're building this for the very long term and plan to keep it that way.

Re:Rapid growth, lessons learned and improvements at Fly.io by te_chris on Monday March 06, 2023 @05:32PM (#35048710)
I guess I’m just default cynical these days seeing how much money’s still floating around and the scale of the cloud big 3. Apologies, it wasn’t personal. I admire your vision and hope it can work, money always seems to talk eventually though. We need more companies that have the nerve to hold on and develop on their own.
Re:Rapid growth, lessons learned and improvements at Fly.io by metadat on Monday March 06, 2023 @06:52PM (#35049580)
I admire your sentiment, at the same time founding teams don't typically say no to US$XX,XXX,XXX,XXX acquisition offers that'd cash you out for at least a few billion to you personally.

Are there any examples where the capitalism bottom line is ignored and a company keeps growing with extremely premium generous acquisition offers on the table? I can't think of any, but there could be a few. However, I expect it's pretty rare.

For companies with such tremendous growth, the venture capitalist firms are primarily looking to make their <big-multiplier> return and push priorities accordingly (understandably).

Market forces in capitalism are highly potent.

Re:Rapid growth, lessons learned and improvements at Fly.io by Aeolun on Monday March 06, 2023 @07:56PM (#35050076)
> I'd love to understand why you think this is the only outcome.

I’m curious why you think it isn’t? On a long enough timescale all good things seem to be acquired by large megacorps for a fuckton of money.

Slack, Linode, Minecraft, the list goes on. Eventually they all make the thing less than it was before under the founders’ vision. At least from my perspective.

It won’t stop me from cheering them on, but I’m still very skeptical of them not being bought out in 10 years.

Re:Rapid growth, lessons learned and improvements at Fly.io by onethought on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @01:10AM (#35052153)
Spotify, Apple, Amazon, Facebook, Twitter (kinda), Valve all have not been acquired and have existed for a long timescale...
Re:Rapid growth, lessons learned and improvements at Fly.io by fauigerzigerk on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @04:06AM (#35053247)
That's clearly survivorship bias.

What you want to know is the probability of a small, independent, high quality provider remaining independent, high quality and not bankrupt.

It does seem to be rare in the tech space, especially in the US. Becoming one of the largest public corporations on earth is one way to do it, as you suggested, but the odds of that happening are miniscule.

Re:Rapid growth, lessons learned and improvements at Fly.io by Aeolun on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @04:15AM (#35053298)
For obvious reasons I’m excluding the companies doing the acquiring.

Except Valve I guess, but that was never a public company that could be acquired to satisfy investors in the first place.

Re:Rapid growth, lessons learned and improvements at Fly.io by antupis on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @03:30AM (#35053004)
Times are now different money is not free anymore so those big acquisitions need to make real business sense.