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Re:Maybe Treating Housing as an Investment Was a Colossal Mi... by highwaylights on Monday March 06, 2023 @12:40PM (#35044332)
Tax on non-primary properties solves this if you can get it past vested interests.

Reasonable tax breaks for your primary or only home, and none for second homes / investments you let out.

That gives a valve to perform qualitative easing on the housing market whenever you need to, and is not uncommon in other parts of the world.

Re:Maybe Treating Housing as an Investment Was a Colossal Mi... by kwhitefoot on Monday March 06, 2023 @12:48PM (#35044529)
You mean that in the US you don't pay tax on the capital gain when you sell a property that is not your home? It's a great country to be rich in!
Re:Maybe Treating Housing as an Investment Was a Colossal Mi... by redmorphium on Monday March 06, 2023 @12:59PM (#35044762)
You do pay tax on that.

However, you don't have to if you die and pass the property down to your spouse and/or children. This is the step-up in basis and is key to building generational wealth in the US.

Re:Maybe Treating Housing as an Investment Was a Colossal Mi... by mywittyname on Monday March 06, 2023 @01:47PM (#35045686)
> This is the step-up in basis and is key to building generational wealth in the US.

Yes, but for most people, that's not really a benefit. It's possible to exclude the first few hundred thousand of capital gains taxes on a primary residence anyway. So even without the step-up basis, the tax burden on these properties would be tiny.

Property taxes are a much more significant form of taxation than capital gains. And would be even without any preferential treatment.

Re:Maybe Treating Housing as an Investment Was a Colossal Mi... by pksebben on Monday March 06, 2023 @04:41PM (#35048052)
capital gains ought to be taxed like regular income. it's insane that we cut breaks for wealth generation that requires no effort, and is scalable
Re:Maybe Treating Housing as an Investment Was a Colossal Mi... by dirck on Monday March 06, 2023 @12:56PM (#35044714)
There is definitely capital gains tax on non-primary residence homes. Only primary homes are exempt up to certain dollar.
Re:Maybe Treating Housing as an Investment Was a Colossal Mi... by amluto on Monday March 06, 2023 @02:56PM (#35046716)
You can do a “1031 exchange” to trade a non-residence property for a different one.
Re:Maybe Treating Housing as an Investment Was a Colossal Mi... by mym1990 on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @12:01PM (#35057762)
This is just a tax deferral, you will still pay tax eventually.
Re:Maybe Treating Housing as an Investment Was a Colossal Mi... by amluto on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @02:59PM (#35060364)
Not necessarily. You can hold on to it until you or your spouse dies, which will reset the tax basis.
Re:Maybe Treating Housing as an Investment Was a Colossal Mi... by mym1990 on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @01:28PM (#35072798)
Cannot find where spouse dying resets the tax liability. If the outright owner passes away, that makes sense.
Re:Maybe Treating Housing as an Investment Was a Colossal Mi... by mym1990 on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @12:00PM (#35057745)
There are exceptions if you have lived in the property for 2 of the last 5 years.
Re:Maybe Treating Housing as an Investment Was a Colossal Mi... by bmitc on Monday March 06, 2023 @12:48PM (#35044530)
I agree with that. Investment homes, second or maybe just third homes, etc. should be taxed rather extremely aggressively.
Re:Maybe Treating Housing as an Investment Was a Colossal Mi... by sbarre on Monday March 06, 2023 @01:33PM (#35045442)
The problem with this approach is the impact it has on areas that have availability problems, and where there is more demand than supply for housing (think big cities that are experiencing condo booms).

In those high-demand areas, owners will simply pass those tax costs down to their tenants, and the rents prices will go up, leading to even less affordability.

Re:Maybe Treating Housing as an Investment Was a Colossal Mi... by triceratops on Monday March 06, 2023 @01:39PM (#35045542)
If you combine that with looser zoning regs, the higher rents will make building more housing more lucrative.
Re:Maybe Treating Housing as an Investment Was a Colossal Mi... by bmitc on Monday March 06, 2023 @02:08PM (#35046036)
In my mind, I was separating out homes for rent from investment and second/third/so-on homes. Although, it seems tough to separate those out since investment homes and non-primary homes are often rented out, although sometimes not permanently or continuously as homes specifically treated as rental properties. It needs some more thought, but I don't like the no holds barred approach that takes place right now. I in general don't like homes being treated as a business and investments, and I think it should be discouraged. Apartment complexes are a little different. Even there though, renters need better protection. One of my friend's rent just increased by 25%. It's ridiculous.
Re:Maybe Treating Housing as an Investment Was a Colossal Mi... by cwkoss on Monday March 06, 2023 @03:12PM (#35046918)
Make the tax scale with number of homes the entity owns.
Re:Maybe Treating Housing as an Investment Was a Colossal Mi... by choward on Monday March 06, 2023 @03:41PM (#35047277)
They might not be able to find someone to pay that rent. In which case they might be forced to sell. Ideally someone who doesn't own a home will purchase it and won't have to pay the tax that caused the original owner to sell.
Re:Maybe Treating Housing as an Investment Was a Colossal Mi... by Grimburger on Monday March 06, 2023 @03:36PM (#35047215)
So you punish renters for the benefit of prospective homeowners?

Not everyone wants to buy.

Re:Maybe Treating Housing as an Investment Was a Colossal Mi... by amrocha on Monday March 06, 2023 @04:31PM (#35047909)
Every time a housing discussion comes up someone comes in with this argument. If you stopped to think about it you'd realize how silly it is.

Renting doesn't need to be handled solely or even at all by the private market.

Re:Maybe Treating Housing as an Investment Was a Colossal Mi... by highwaylights on Monday March 06, 2023 @04:54PM (#35048233)
Sadly I don’t see any better way to help renters.

If you make the costs of real estate investment so onerous that it’s only attractive to owner-occupants then it becomes far harder for your landlord to exploit you as a tenant, as the option for you to buy much more cheaply will be there even if you choose never to do so.