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Re:Genes reveal striking diversity within similar ice age cu... by janmarsal on Monday March 06, 2023 @10:17AM (#35041974)
Late Pleistocene lasted from 129,000 to 11,700 BC. Younger Dryas happened like 12k years bc. That's not a very long period of time to me. How long did humans and mammoths co-exist? I've no idea but I've always assumed for tens of thousands of years at least. I'm sure humans hunting mammoths didn't help their population to survive but I think it's a bit harsh to blame humanity for wiping out mammoths when there was a huge extinction event happening 12k BC that almost wiped out humans too along with the megafauna.

Meanwhile africa didn't have this extinction event and their megafauna is still intact regardless of humans. Well, now with gunpowder and whatnot they're threatened but it's not like stone age hunter gatherers had guns to shoot mammoths with.

Re:Genes reveal striking diversity within similar ice age cu... by dron57 on Monday March 06, 2023 @10:31AM (#35042180)
Another explanation could be that African mega-fauna evolved in close proximity to hominids, making them less susceptible to the pressures of being over-hunted. That could by why Eurasian, American and Australian mega-fauna went extinct shortly after the arrival of humans whereas they survived in Africa.
Re:Genes reveal striking diversity within similar ice age cu... by AndrewKemendo on Monday March 06, 2023 @10:27AM (#35042111)
>How long did humans and mammoths co-exist?

The research seems to indicate that the overlap was from ~150,000BC until the QME crash ~10,000BC that you describe.

So, the answer would be "for the majority of anatomical Human's history until they all died off"

Re:Genes reveal striking diversity within similar ice age cu... by syrrim on Monday March 06, 2023 @11:24AM (#35042887)
Is that humans specifically, or hominids generally? Not that the distinction matters too much, but it could be a source of confusion.
Re:Genes reveal striking diversity within similar ice age cu... by AndrewKemendo on Monday March 06, 2023 @11:46AM (#35043176)
Anatomically modern Humans, the wikipedia on this is strikingly well written:

>Early modern human (EMH) or anatomically modern human (AMH)[1] are terms used to distinguish Homo sapiens (the only extant Hominina species) that are anatomically consistent with the range of phenotypes seen in contemporary humans from extinct archaic human species. This distinction is useful especially for times and regions where anatomically modern and archaic humans co-existed, for example, in Paleolithic Europe. Among the oldest known remains of Homo sapiens are those found at the Omo-Kibish I archaeological site in south-western Ethiopia, dating to about 233,000[2] to 196,000 years ago,[3] the Florisbad site in South Africa, dating to about 259,000 years ago, and the Jebel Irhoud site in Morocco, dated about 315,000 years ago.

This is THE most important distinction to make as people seem to think that Humans prior to the year zero were neandertal or some proto-human

Humans just like you and me are about 200,000 years old

Re:Genes reveal striking diversity within similar ice age cu... by dfc on Monday March 06, 2023 @12:19PM (#35043751)
What is the "QME crash"?
Re:Genes reveal striking diversity within similar ice age cu... by AndrewKemendo on Monday March 06, 2023 @10:21PM (#35051141)
Re:Genes reveal striking diversity within similar ice age cu... by runesofdoom on Monday March 06, 2023 @11:43AM (#35043139)
The isolated mammoth population on Wrangel Island in the Arctic lasted until ~2000BC. [1] They died out before humans arrived at their island, possibly driven extinct by 'genomic meltdown'.[2]

[1]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027737911...

[2]https://www.science.org/content/article/last-lonely-woolly-m...