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Re:Writing - Human Interface Guidelines by HL33tibCe7 on Monday March 06, 2023 @03:28AM (#35038738)
Strong disagree. “Did you just fall?” is more confusing: in that case, the watch is not directly telling you what it thinks happened; instead, it is asking a leading question.

It’s way less clear. You’re relying on implication to convey the fact that the watch thinks you’ve fallen, rather than just saying it.

If you’ve hit your head and are concussed, that extra level of indirection and confusion that your question introduces could have a significant effect on the outcome of the situation.

Re:Writing - Human Interface Guidelines by bruce343434 on Monday March 06, 2023 @06:22AM (#35039755)
I don't understand your point of view. There is no indirection. It's just a simple question, yes or no, did you just fall?
Re:Writing - Human Interface Guidelines by Hackbraten on Monday March 06, 2023 @06:55AM (#35039961)
It’s entirely unclear to me what the consequences of the yes/no choice would be.

Furthermore, falling is not binary, so there’s the question about where the boundary is. In an emergency situation, I don’t want to have to deal with any of this. It’s terrible UX.

Re:Writing - Human Interface Guidelines by bruce343434 on Monday March 06, 2023 @06:57AM (#35039975)
So maybe a message like

"Call emergency services?"

"Yes" "No"

Although it removes the context of the watch' reasoning.

Re:Writing - Human Interface Guidelines by nkrisc on Monday March 06, 2023 @09:56AM (#35041709)
"Fall detected. Call {911 || regionally appropriate number/name}?"
Re:Writing - Human Interface Guidelines by marvel_boy on Monday March 06, 2023 @11:57AM (#35043343)
Exactly.
Re:Writing - Human Interface Guidelines by nippoo on Monday March 06, 2023 @01:02PM (#35044833)
Again "fall detected" is quite un-human and mechanical. Is this a technical term? Who/what fell? Are you talking about the season? I think the existing Apple language is good and has clearly been through a lot of discussion!
Re:Writing - Human Interface Guidelines by Karunamon on Monday March 06, 2023 @02:04PM (#35045970)
As befits a nonhuman, mechanical device like a watch.
Re:Writing - Human Interface Guidelines by airstrike on Monday March 06, 2023 @02:31PM (#35046387)
Which makes it sound like the watch fell, not me
Re:Writing - Human Interface Guidelines by Karunamon on Monday March 06, 2023 @02:46PM (#35046608)
Given the consensus understanding of physics and gravity, it did. It just so happened that it was attached to a larger thing that also fell, and the larger thing likely either knows it and can comprehend this message trivially, or does not and summoning help is the proper action to take.

Reminder that the screen is a false positive protection mechanism and will only ever be seen in a specific context.

Re:Writing - Human Interface Guidelines by airstrike on Monday March 06, 2023 @03:48PM (#35047355)
Sorry, but that's just a pedantic take when we're discussing what is the best UI /UX for wearers to know how to instinctively react in a possibly stressful moment.

You have to solve for the lowest common denominator, not the hacker's technically correct preference.

This ain't about the watch falling, it's about someone possibly needing to call emergency services and contacts when they're hurt. "I'm OK" is a great prompt in that context, even if it's not an explicitly accurate response to whether the watch or wearer fell (which in turn is why the focus is not on the fall but on their need for help).

Re:Writing - Human Interface Guidelines by Hackbraten on Monday March 06, 2023 @03:49PM (#35047375)
There also must be some joke about special relativity hidden in that wearer-and-their-watch-falling incident.
Re:Writing - Human Interface Guidelines by hunter2_ on Monday March 06, 2023 @04:19PM (#35047764)
> the larger thing likely either knows [about the fall] and can comprehend this message trivially, or does not and summoning help is the proper action to take.

You did say "likely" but to provide an example: skiers who know they fell cannot comprehend the message trivially (not having noticed it's existence) and summoning help is often not the proper action to take. Call centers serving ski towns are swamped with false positives due to this issue.

Re:Writing - Human Interface Guidelines by nkrisc on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @08:48AM (#35055259)
Are you imagining someone who, having just fallen while wearing their Apple Watch, wondering whether they or their watch fell when their watch says, “fall detected” While they lay on the floor?
Re:Writing - Human Interface Guidelines by airstrike on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @04:14PM (#35061329)
I'm imagining a scenario in which someone who, having just fallen while wearing their Apple Watch, concludes the watch is talking about itself when it says "fall detected" and they will have to have it repaired
Re:Writing - Human Interface Guidelines by nkrisc on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @11:20PM (#35065209)
"Fall detected. Call 911?"

“Why is my watching asking me to call 911 to get it repaired? My hip is broken!”

I can’t tell if you’re trolling me or not but I’ll assume you’re not.

Re:Writing - Human Interface Guidelines by nkrisc on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @07:41AM (#35054661)
If you’re laying on the floor I think you’ll know who fell.

If you didn’t fall, then you know it’s wrong.

Re:Writing - Human Interface Guidelines by senttoschool on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @12:42PM (#35058415)
But the watch didn't detect a fall. The watch saw signals and data points and thinks it could be a fall. Saying "Fall detected" is too confident and not a reflection of the feature.
Re:Writing - Human Interface Guidelines by nkrisc on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @11:17PM (#35065194)
You’re right. Better explain all that to the user of the watch who is laying on the floor.

If they are not laying in the floor then they already know it’s wrong.

"Fall detected. Call 911?"

“Huh? No, I didn’t fall. Don’t call 911”

Or

“I did fall, but I’m fine. Don’t call 911”

Re:Writing - Human Interface Guidelines by senttoschool on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @11:23PM (#35065233)
Maybe you can explain to the user of the watch who didn't fall but the Watch suddenly says "Fall detected".

Apple's version is better. It's more accurate of what the feature does (guessing based on factors), and it's more human.

Re:Writing - Human Interface Guidelines by aa-jv on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @06:20AM (#35067684)
I wrote a Fall Detector app for Android, ten years ago.

When a fall was detected the sample played: "A fall has been detected" When the caretaker was alerted: "The caretaker has been alerted" When the caretaker acknowledged: "The caretaker is on their way" ..

I dunno why its so hard. Talk to the user, re-assure them that the app is doing its job.

Re:Writing - Human Interface Guidelines by nkrisc on Monday March 06, 2023 @09:53AM (#35041685)
But what is it going to do if I answer yes? If I did fall but don't need medical attention, is answering "yes" going call emergency services anyway? I don't want that. But if I lie and answer "no", is it going to somehow modify its detection criteria and not work the next time I fall and really do need help? I don't know, I have no idea what it will do.

Besides, it's all a moot point because it's the wrong question to ask. It doesn't really matter if you actually fell or not. It detected what it "thinks" was likely a fall and the real question to ask is: do you need help?

If you turn the corner and see someone laying on the ground, do you ask them if they they just fell, or do you ask them if they need help?