TBF, much of that is down to suicides, as Switzerland has a much higher rate of suicide by gun than other countries. The general gun homicide rate once they're omitted isn't quite so crazy.

Same in the US, of course. Suicide by gun counted as 'gun violence' is the classic disingenuous deception. Remove those and gang violence (primarily against rival gangs), and the numbers don't look that scary, which is the issue for those with an agenda.

From an international perspective, most reporting about gun control being a big issue in the US appears to come from mass shootings, not the misc. causes such as gang activity or suicides.

If you look into the stats that reporting typically uses, I've found that mass shootings are frequently defined differently than they're popularly thought of (I believe gang violence is frequently included), and suicides are frequently included in the overall violence stats.

But it also has a murder rate less than half of France's.

The people who use guns to kill in Switzerland instead use knives or other objects in France.

(I am admittedly cheating a bit, as Switzerland lacks the high crime subpopulations that France has)

Yeah, and if you ban blue cars, blue cars will crash less and you'll see more red cars crash.

I specifically said "intentional homicide rate" for a reason, to get ahead of this ridiculous argument that people bring up despite it not holding up or being relevant.

I don't care how the homicide happens, I care that a homicide happened. And despite lots of guns, it doesn't happen a lot in Switzerland compared to the world or even other EU countries. Clearly, guns aren't the problem, the other factors play into it more.