One rail ticket for all cities in Germany – 49 euro per month

Re:One rail ticket for all cities in Germany – 49 euro per m... by mytailorisrich on Sunday March 05, 2023 @12:54PM (#35032070)

I am in Europe and I am replying to a claim that public transport can be made so good that it is people's first choice... and so the point I am making is that this is indeed setting an unrealistic expectation on public transport!

If you need some biking or walking just to reach public transport, then wait, then travel through the network then there is always a level of inconvenience that you may not face if you use individual private transport instead.

Even in Europe most people live is suburbs. Even if they are not car-centric (and they are in most cases) that increases inconvenience and cost of public transport.

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Re:One rail ticket for all cities in Germany – 49 euro per m... by Beldin on Sunday March 05, 2023 @03:06PM (#35033422)

> that you may not face if you use individual private transport instead.

Only if you assume that individual private transport can get you door-to-door. Which is a rather unfair comparison. "cars are better because unlike public transport, you can drive up to basically any building and park there" is only true if you build roads and parkings to basically every building.

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Re:One rail ticket for all cities in Germany – 49 euro per m... by anticensor on Sunday March 05, 2023 @03:27PM (#35033616)

Streets have to access all buildings due to fire fighting reasons, unless you also plan to rearchitecture the firefighting infrastructure to use pipelines branching from a huge central fire extinction station.

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Re:One rail ticket for all cities in Germany – 49 euro per m... by fomine3 on Sunday March 05, 2023 @07:55PM (#35036166)

Firefighting vehicle doesn't need parking space

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Re:One rail ticket for all cities in Germany – 49 euro per m... by mytailorisrich on Sunday March 05, 2023 @04:37PM (#35034236)

It is obvious that a building requires road access. The issue of emergency services access has already been mentioned but there is also obviously the issue of deliveries, including large items like appliances and furniture.

I did mention the caveat that sometimes private transport (which includes bikes) may be inconvenient. That includes issues with parking space.

I'd argue that making private transport very impractical is not the same as making public transport "so good it becomes the first choice"... it's making private transport bad enough that it becomes more inconvenient than public transport...

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