This is dangerous, eliminationist, anti-trans rhetoric that should not be tolerated on any HN (ir any other forum).
Instead of a mutually beneficial compromise like give everyone private individual dressing spaces and listening to potential victims of trans abuse in gendered spaces. You go full offensive mode on me for even suggesting the possibility.
It seems that you don't want political allies, but rather political subjects...
If you're actually open to seeing the issue there are plenty of stories you can search up on this topic. What I mention is hardly unique, I see them with some frequency.
Ignoring these concerns will just cement the political divide and harden political opponents who want to protect female gendered spaces and youth from predators.
I've seen a number of perverts in my life, but this one would be on a different level. The amount of bullying that boy would receive from other boys would hardly be compensated by him being able to go into the girl's locker when the whole content of the internet porn is readily available.
> What I mention is hardly unique, I see them with some frequency.
From reputable news sources?
- take HRT long enough to pass, which is in months if not years
- destroy their libido
- sterilize himself
- gain weight
- reduce the size of his penis
- experience near constant pain on his penis due to atrophy
- have his testicles shrink
- have erectile dysfunction
- experience all that bullying
- risk getting disowned by family
- lose friendships
so that he can commit an __opportunity__ crime?
Do you honestly find that reasonable?
Maybe the problem is not that trans women and girls exist, but that men and boys seem to be opportunistic predators.
If your claim is that the boy or man can just self-id as trans, and then enter the bathroom, then my question is, what stops them from entering it anyway? Why go through all the trouble of a possibly social transition and all that entails just to commit an opportunity crime when they could very well just go in?
Just look at what is happening with prisons in jurisdictions where they have prioritized claims of 'gender identity' over sex. Women have been sexually assaulted, raped and even impregnated by such males. It's horrifying.
Trans males should not be competing in girls sports. They are only doing so because of the right's insistence on unchangeable biological sex. As to the "primary reason for the change"... you're going to have to provide evidence because that's doubtful. People act like social transitioning is a walk in the park... it's not. People aren't doing it for the incredible benefits of being trans, believe me.
You sound like you have an axe to grind and maybe need to do more research and less believing the falsehoods about trans people.
[1] https://www.vox.com/2016/5/18/11690234/women-bathrooms-haras...
Local story... Boy who claims to be female and goes into the girls locker room to watch them change. He doesn't actually change or participate. Just a spectator. The girls try to hide from him. It's pretty clear by the details that he's a peeping tom just there to ogle the girls. One of the girls speaks up about how uncomfortable he has made life and many girls no longer want to change their clothes for gym, even asking for private spaces but this girl is ostracized and vilified by the local media for not being supportive.
It's pretty amazing how we went from being so protective of these spaces. Particularly from sexual predators. To one where we openly allow predatory behavior and tell the reporter of the incident that she is the bad one. Deny them privacy and security.
Numerous reports of trans males dominating girls sports, and from information that is the primary reason for the 'change'.
All these stories of particularly men going trans for transparently selfish reasons of advantage do not help the cause among people who really care about their daughters well being.