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Re:Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops by Karunamon on Monday January 23, 2012 @08:05PM (#3502949)
>Everyone has cracked software, pirated movies, & torrents

That's a bit of a leap, really.

Also, Truecrypt's deniable encryption here doesn't seem like it would help, since they're talking at the computer level. Presumably, a power on or hard drive password. Assuming there's only one volume, you put that one in and the attacker has the keys to the kingdom.

Besides that, most averages joes wouldn't go through this kind of trouble. If you're running in opposition to a ruling power who might, say, launch a missile at you from 30,000 feet while you're in foreign territory (not naming any names here), then you probably already know to cover your ass.

On the other hand, an average joe thinking that they're cute by giving up the password to the concealed volume will only land a contempt charge when the file access times are checked.

Re:Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops by burgerbrain on Monday January 23, 2012 @08:16PM (#3502987)
I think it is quite a leap to assume that anything more than a minority don't have things like that.
Re:Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops by jwhitlark on Monday January 23, 2012 @08:26PM (#3503025)
That's not a leap at all. Many people don't have things like that, either for moral reasons, or there just don't care. Of the four computers I maintain for others, none of them has anything on your list.

You can despise the MPAA without downloading movies. Just as you can desire privacy without committing any crimes.

Re:Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops by lawnchair_larry on Monday January 23, 2012 @10:13PM (#3503283)
Ever right-click, Save As on an image you didn't have the rights to?

Ever copied and pasted an article published by someone else, and saved it to a file?

During your online conversations, have you ever written something negative about another person?

Do you have any data that you are contractually obligated to keep a secret, possibly relating to agreements signed with employers or clients?

Note that even data in your browser cache can be used against you[1].

Under a microscope, everyone is a criminal.

[1] http://news.cnet.com/Police-blotter-Child-porn-in-Web-cache-...

Re:Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops by NyxWulf on Monday January 23, 2012 @10:39PM (#3503352)
In support of the notion that Under a microscope, everyone is a criminal I'll add this data point.

The police raided the house of a veteran here in town a few months back for possession of small amounts of marijuana. The veteran opened fire and during the ensuing shoot out one officer died and five more were sent to the hospital. The news continuously talked about this veterans limited criminal history.

Ultimately he had a speeding ticket and had been charged with something like jay walking which was dismissed. That was his limited criminal history.

I completely agree that if you look at someone close enough, almost all will have limited criminal histories.

Re:Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops by hobin on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @07:21AM (#3504405)
None of the things you mentioned are, in themselves, illegal.

Saving an image or an article to your hard drive is not illegal, but redistributing it can be. Writing negative stories about other people is (in practically all cases) not illegal, either. Nor is having secret information.

Unless the majority secretly has an ungodly amount of child porn in their web cache I don't know about, I am not very inclined to believe that everyone is a criminal under a microscope.

Re:Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops by burgerbrain on Monday January 23, 2012 @08:36PM (#3503056)
Many? Yes, I agree. Most? I personally highly doubt it. I don't think I've known a single person since the late 90s who doesn't on at least rare occasion download or otherwise acquire unlicensed music.

Sure there are some, and when you consider the population of the world is several billion that "some" can become "many" without really saying anything about the majority.

Re:Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops by sdkmvx on Monday January 23, 2012 @10:06PM (#3503273)
> I don't think I've known a single person since the late 90s who doesn't on at least rare occasion download or otherwise acquire unlicensed music.

That may be a matter of definitions. While I wouldn't say I have any unlicensed music, I might if you count my YouTube cache file.

Re:Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops by shinratdr on Monday January 23, 2012 @08:45PM (#3503082)
Not having even one pirated anything (song, movie, show, book or software) on any of your machines is not the norm at all.
Re:Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops by Simucal on Monday January 23, 2012 @08:11PM (#3502972)
TrueCrypt supports Hidden OS partitions much like its normal hidden containers and it asks for these passwords at boot.

You could enter one password and have it boot into a boring Windows XP environment while the true password would boot to your actual environment with all your secret files.

Re:Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops by Karunamon on Monday January 23, 2012 @08:16PM (#3502986)
There's the file time problem, though. Okay, let's say you're Joe Randomguy and you keep two XP partitions. One that you actively use and might have all manner of contraband on it, and another "boring" one for showing any would-be snoopers.

It's Jan 2012. What do you think is going to happen when they see that the one you gave up the code to hasn't been touched since July 2011?

Does Truecrypt have an option to not record date/time stamps on volumes, or better yet, scramble them?

Re:Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops by corin_ on Monday January 23, 2012 @08:23PM (#3503015)
How do you prove in a court of law that a.) those timestamps are correct and b.) I have definitely used it since July 2011?
Re:Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops by burgerbrain on Monday January 23, 2012 @08:18PM (#3502998)
Standard practice is to use the one you don't care about for things you don't care about (which for most people, will be most things. Web browsing, gaming, emailing the aunt, whatever).

Timestamps are going to be at the FS layer or higher, not much Truecrypt can realistically do about that..

Re:Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops by CGamesPlay on Monday January 23, 2012 @08:59PM (#3503124)
Truecrypt does have an option to disable file time updates on file volumes. Also for ext at least, you can mount with nomtime, noatime, noctime and completely disable file times.
Re:Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops by pyre on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @04:01AM (#3504025)
How does preventing the filesystem from writing timestamps solve anything? We're talking about the 'boring partition' having timestamps that suggest that you haven't used it in months (i.e. really old timestamps), when there is probably evidence elsewhere that you have used it (e.g. emails that you've sent since those timestamps).
Re:Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops by jiggy2011 on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @05:16AM (#3504161)
just write false timestamps to the FS saying it was used more recently?
Re:Judge: Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops by Karunamon on Tuesday January 24, 2012 @10:52AM (#3505251)
Or scramble them altogether. Every write to the filesystem through Truecrypt's driver results in a completely random (but still valid) ctime/atime for that file.

I can't readily think of any Windows processes this would break.