All you may need is HTML

Re:All you may need is HTML by NoGravitas on Thursday March 02, 2023 @03:11PM (#35001279)

Well, there was a previous garbage area, when HTML was, rather than being semantic, laid out using tables and \<color\> and \<font\>. I remember telling people to not do that, especially when the first version of CSS came out, and you could make websites look nice with semantic HTML that also worked in Lynx.

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Re:All you may need is HTML by Dalewyn on Thursday March 02, 2023 @05:56PM (#35003261)

Table layouts are still superior to CSS in that they achieve the Holy Grail layout. As far as I'm aware, CSS still fails to achieve the Holy Grail within any reasonable realm of effort.

Hell, the entire reason the internet moved from Holy Grail layouts to singular sidebar and vertically integrated layouts was because CSS can't into Holy Grail.

With how wide most users' monitors are ever since 16:9 became commonplace, Holy Grail should be the ideal content presentation layout because it uses all that free space on the sides for non-content (eg: navigation) so precious vertical real estate can be dedicated to content.

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Re:All you may need is HTML by ozaark on Thursday March 02, 2023 @06:29PM (#35003561)

This doesn't add up. CSS grid, flex box, etc all do the "holy grail" layout with a couple lines. The tables mess that was early www was and remains an absolute mess of markdown to maintain for layout. Semantics and accessibility are practically out the window with table.

HCI dictates how humans use interfaces and with that comes many defacto reasons why a plain text page does not solve the problems users want to solve. Do you not think websites test into the optimal performing layouts and content distribution? If it worked better, we'd all be using it (it doesn't).

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Re:All you may need is HTML by Dalewyn on Friday March 03, 2023 @05:57AM (#35008045)

>Do you not think websites test into the optimal performing layouts and content distribution?

No, I think most website devs left to their devices optimize for least effort to create and maintain.

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Re:All you may need is HTML by kerkeslager on Thursday March 09, 2023 @07:51PM (#35089069)

> No, I think most website devs left to their devices optimize for least effort to create and maintain.

...which is definitely not tables. Flexbox is much easier.

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Re:All you may need is HTML by kerkeslager on Thursday March 02, 2023 @07:48PM (#35004278)

Sure, but there were a lot of ways that could have been solved with HTML standards.

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