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Re:Oceania Always at War with Eastasia: Generative AI and Kn... by sarchertech on Thursday March 02, 2023 @03:05PM (#35001195)
I asked it 3 questions about distributed systems, 2 of the answers were so fundamentally wrong that they would lead to a complete misunderstanding of the subjects, and if you tried to implement systems based on that understanding they would be broken in hard to detect ways.

The problem is that an LLM can only be as reliable as its training material.

For example I wrote a blog post on the 2 generals problem. In the comments there is more text from inexperienced people asserting that a solution exists than there is text from my original article.

An LLM trained on that article and comments will always be wrong.

LLMs can be trained on smaller vetted training sets sure, but they also currently require massive amounts of data and there’s no guarantee that just waiting a few months or years will improve reliability enough to fix these issues.

Re:Oceania Always at War with Eastasia: Generative AI and Kn... by williamcotton on Thursday March 02, 2023 @03:13PM (#35001298)
That's a very small sample size. Also, the scope of that question is rather broad.

There are a number of techniques you could try to improve your results.

But I get the distinct feeling that you are not interested in improving your results as you have a motivation to "prove" something about LLMs.

Re:Oceania Always at War with Eastasia: Generative AI and Kn... by sarchertech on Thursday March 02, 2023 @03:30PM (#35001583)
I have no strong interest either way. I played with chatgpt with no expectations going in, and I’ve played with it for many hours since. I have found it severely lacking for many purposes which people have said it’s suited. That’s it.
Re:Oceania Always at War with Eastasia: Generative AI and Kn... by goatlover on Friday March 03, 2023 @11:19AM (#35011544)
Yes, but you have to know to improve the results, and the techniques don't alway work. I asked for a table of sports results from a specific date in the past that's easy to lookup, and it gave me wrong results. But they looked plausible. When I asked it about specific result, it gave me a completely misleading answer, but one that would be plausible to someone who doesn't know the sport very well. After informing it of the wrong answer, it corrected itself by giving a different wrong answer. I tried that a couple times with the same result.

This becomes a problem when people start to treat LLMs as authoritative on facts.

Re:Oceania Always at War with Eastasia: Generative AI and Kn... by unyttigfjelltol on Thursday March 02, 2023 @04:10PM (#35002130)
Isn't part of the problem that an LLM will complete a statement with words that form a kind of statistical midpoint of the things that might come next. But when we're dealing with specific things in the real world, the true way to complete a sentence will not be that kind of statistical function, in fact it only reliably will follow from actually knowing the answer.

So, it's sort of like driving a car based not on a complete map of the area, but a partial map where the missing pieces are filled in from statistical averages of things that appear generally in the world-- but not necessarily in that location. We all may be impressed at how close the predictions come to reality, but the only truly reliable thing is that those predictions, measured with precision, will be wrong. And if you rely on them without verifying them yourself, you might have a serious problem.

Re:Oceania Always at War with Eastasia: Generative AI and Kn... by williamcotton on Friday March 03, 2023 @08:10AM (#35009088)
I’m going to refrain from epistemological instruction but I would recommend you start with the Greeks and at least cover Kant and the analytical philosophers that followed.

The “true” way to answer a proposition is not even remotely as simple as you’ve described.

Re:Oceania Always at War with Eastasia: Generative AI and Kn... by unyttigfjelltol on Friday March 03, 2023 @09:29AM (#35010034)
Well, yes, but ... the fact remains an LLM is not equipped to grapple with truths.
Re:Oceania Always at War with Eastasia: Generative AI and Kn... by goatlover on Friday March 03, 2023 @11:08AM (#35011414)
Or we could just deflate "truth" for this particular discussion, since what matters is whether predicting the next word works well enough without knowledge of the world. Pragmatically speaking, that's what matters.