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Re:Apple rumored to subvert EU Rules by nerfing USB-C on iPh... by kevin_thibedeau on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @03:33PM (#34987896)
> The idea is to stop 100W of power from being pushed down a cable

You don't push Watts. The load controls what it consumes. So long as the voltage is within the device limits it can control the current draw from its end of the cable. If a supply won't fulfill the requested current, the device makes do with less or disables functionality without damaging itself. This is how all USB devices are required to operate.

Re:Apple rumored to subvert EU Rules by nerfing USB-C on iPh... by rkangel on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @03:53PM (#34988178)
You're roughly right about the two ends, but what about the middle? It is absolutely possible for a high power supply to be connected to a high power sink (like an iPhone) via a non-compliant cable. A high current value is negotiated, the iPhone starts drawing that much current and then the cable gets hot and in the extreme case - starts a fire.
Re:Apple rumored to subvert EU Rules by nerfing USB-C on iPh... by JustSomeNobody on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @04:34PM (#34988663)
But it is extremely unlikely that Apple will enable 100W charging on iPhone. They'll probably stick with 20ishW so...
Re:Apple rumored to subvert EU Rules by nerfing USB-C on iPh... by lozenge on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @04:42PM (#34988754)
Shall we start having Apple certified power sockets now in case a dangerous socket misbehaves and fries your electronics?
Re:Apple rumored to subvert EU Rules by nerfing USB-C on iPh... by widowlark on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @06:13PM (#34989685)
You know how Apple has those ridiculously sized power bricks that make it very difficult to use standard power strips with? I once had someone tell me that normal power strips had their ground faced horizontally, and that it was 'unusual' for me to have the vertical power strips (which are nearly unbiquitous, as far as I can tell) - that was their reasoning on why Apples massive bricks posed no issue for power strips.
Re:Apple rumored to subvert EU Rules by nerfing USB-C on iPh... by shagie on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @06:22PM (#34989775)
So, those power bricks... its got that neat "remove this and swap for other plug types" connector.

One of the other connectors is an extension cable. https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK122LL/A/power-adapter-e...

Works very nicely with power strips and conferences where the power plugs are way over there.

Re:Apple rumored to subvert EU Rules by nerfing USB-C on iPh... by widowlark on Thursday March 02, 2023 @12:02PM (#34998362)
$20 to use the $5 power strip
Re:Apple rumored to subvert EU Rules by nerfing USB-C on iPh... by jjtheblunt on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @03:54PM (#34988192)
> This is how all USB devices are required to operate.

Are all USB devices available to consumers on Amazon compliant, and thus safe to plug into a USB-C phone?

Re:Apple rumored to subvert EU Rules by nerfing USB-C on iPh... by arcticbull on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @04:09PM (#34988386)
The is an incomplete assessment because the cable itself plays an active role here via USB-IF required electronic marker. [1]

Not all cables have suitable internal wiring or receptacles capable of handling either higher voltage or amperage required. The ability to transmit 60W or 100W was a much later addition to the specification. In fact USB-C PD 3.1 / EPR supports 240W (48V at 5A) as of much more recently.

This is why the in-cable e-marker was added to the specification: so the cable could indicate whether it was designed to handle higher voltages and currents without catching fire.

In modern USB-C power delivery, it is the source, the sink and the cable that determine how much power is supplied.

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20170816061107/http://www.usb.or... (p. 42)

Re:Apple rumored to subvert EU Rules by nerfing USB-C on iPh... by rektide on Thursday March 02, 2023 @02:30AM (#34993054)
So it's indeed even safer than the parent declared.

Both the cable and the load limit how much power is pushed out.

Re:Apple rumored to subvert EU Rules by nerfing USB-C on iPh... by klodolph on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @04:22PM (#34988527)
That worked when the limit was 500 mA.
Re:Apple rumored to subvert EU Rules by nerfing USB-C on iPh... by kevin_thibedeau on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @06:13PM (#34989686)
The limit was 150mA on connection then 500mA after enumeration. A compliant USB 1.0 device had to conform with a variable load 25 years ago just as much as as today's do.
Re:Apple rumored to subvert EU Rules by nerfing USB-C on iPh... by klodolph on Thursday March 02, 2023 @11:41AM (#34998065)
You definitely misunderstand. USB-C now provides upwards of 5A at 48V. 500mA can be carried down a 24 gauge wire, but 5A needs something more like 14 gauge. How do you protect a user from using the wrong cable? Answer—you put a microchip in the cable so it can be identified.