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Re:Apple rumored to subvert EU Rules by nerfing USB-C on iPh... by bilbo0s on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @01:13PM (#34986061)
To be fair, it's not Apple misbehavior. It's essentially just Apple saying if you use a cable not OK'd by us, you're on your own. I don't think anyone expects people not to plug in non certified cables. It looks like it's just putting into writing a stance of, "Hey, if you fry your phone using junk cables, that's on you."
Re:Apple rumored to subvert EU Rules by nerfing USB-C on iPh... by falcolas on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @01:17PM (#34986131)
> if you use a cable not OK'd by us, you're on your own

That is misbehavior from Apple, because it adds a cost to the consumer. MiFi is absolutely not free.

The consumer friendly option is allowing the use of a perfectly good USB-C cable (from J5 Create, for example) that doesn't have the MiFi tax without artificial restrictions.

Re:Apple rumored to subvert EU Rules by nerfing USB-C on iPh... by bilbo0s on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @01:31PM (#34986371)
No one disallows using the J5 cable. That's the entire point. That's what makes all this fair. It's the consumer who chooses what products s/he will use.

The only thing being codified here is that if you happen to use a janky cable Apple didn't certify, the results are on you.

All that, to my mind, is totally reasonable. You can use a certified cable. You can use a non certified cable. The consumer is totally free to make any choice s/he chooses. They only warrant that if you use the certified cable, your phone won't blow up.

Re:Apple rumored to subvert EU Rules by nerfing USB-C on iPh... by falcolas on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @01:33PM (#34986397)
Then we're reading this sentence from TFA quite differently:

> Shrimp states that Apple will limit data and charging speed for cables connected to iPhone without the MFi certification.

To me (and I'd wager it's the same for most folks), that's Apple implementing a technical block on the cables separate from their actual capabilities.

Re:Apple rumored to subvert EU Rules by nerfing USB-C on iPh... by bilbo0s on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @01:48PM (#34986621)
That's not for the cable, that's for the accessory connected to the cable. I thought we were talking about the cables here?

With respect to the cables, that's part of the USB C spec. Not the spec to which you are referring.

The whole point of the E Mark is to signal that it is safe to send otherwise dangerously high speeds and wattage down the cable. So they're just saying that they promise to follow the spec for cables they certify.

Now the accessories, you're right, but I don't know the rules for accessories. I do know them for the cables.

Re:Apple rumored to subvert EU Rules by nerfing USB-C on iPh... by falcolas on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @03:52PM (#34988161)
There is nothing in this article which suggests this (that it applies only to the accessories) is the case.

Remember, a USB-C cable not just a bunch of wires hooking two connectors together. It's two SOCs which negotiate the cable's capabilities with the devices on either end before allowing the flow of power or data across the cable itself. In fact, there is no spec on what the cable itself consists of - it could be a fiber optic cable for all the USB-C spec cares.

It's why you can use an expensive DP USB-C cable and not get thunderbolt support - because the chipsets in the cable itself have to support the thunderbolt spec.

It's why it's entirely plausible that Apple can specify that you can only use MiFi compatible cables if you want full charging or data transfer capabilities.

Re:Apple rumored to subvert EU Rules by nerfing USB-C on iPh... by FireBeyond on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @03:26PM (#34987823)
> The only thing being codified here is that if you happen to use a janky cable Apple didn't certify, the results are on you.

"Janky" is inserted by you. I can use high quality cables that aren't certified and perfectly capable of handling power, and such. With this comes the implication that any manufacturer who is not willing to give Apple a cut of their cable sales is something inferior and subpar.

> They only warrant that if you use the certified cable, your phone won't blow up.

I guarantee you that they warrant no such thing. And that they'll point you at the cable manufacturer if something damages your phone.

Re:Apple rumored to subvert EU Rules by nerfing USB-C on iPh... by i386 on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @03:20PM (#34987754)
> MiFi is absolutely not free.

Paying for MFI might be a problem for your local Brooklyn usb-c cable artisan but not for your high volume low margin Asian cable manufacturer.

Re:Apple rumored to subvert EU Rules by nerfing USB-C on iPh... by Eisenstein on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @04:08PM (#34988372)
I have plenty of good USB-C cables I spent a bunch of money on. Why should I have to buy more just for Apple? The whole point of USB-C was to not have to do that anymore.
Re:Apple rumored to subvert EU Rules by nerfing USB-C on iPh... by falcolas on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @04:16PM (#34988462)
As of 2018, it's an extra $4 per connector (that means cable with two connectors is $8) plus a flat $99 yearly fee.

It was $10 (or 10% of the cost) prior to that.

Re:Apple rumored to subvert EU Rules by nerfing USB-C on iPh... by yencabulator on Thursday March 02, 2023 @04:06PM (#35002076)
"You're on your own" != "You are prevented from doing this"

Quoting the article:

> According to leaker ShrimpApplePro on Twitter, Apple will be requiring MFi certification for products connecting to the iPhone 15.