Re:OpenAI Is Now Everything It Promised Not to Be: Closed-So...
by toyg on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @05:42AM
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If someone can make money off something, after achieving global visibility, they will - it's almost an iron law. The only exceptions I can think of are Wikipedia, Archive.org, and Wikileaks.
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Re:OpenAI Is Now Everything It Promised Not to Be: Closed-So...
by mellosouls on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @05:49AM
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Unfortunately all of those have their own ethical issues, commercial corruption is not the only challenge to well-intentioned initiatives when meeting scale.
Re:OpenAI Is Now Everything It Promised Not to Be: Closed-So...
by selestify on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @06:54AM
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What are some unethical things about Wikipedia or archive.org?
Re:OpenAI Is Now Everything It Promised Not to Be: Closed-So...
by mellosouls on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @07:26AM
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Bias, gatekeeping and cliques on Wikipedia, overreach wrt rights law with archive.org immediately come to mind as things discussed before on HN, there are no doubt other problems.
Re:OpenAI Is Now Everything It Promised Not to Be: Closed-So...
by unethical_ban on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @10:48AM
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What is your point? That moderation issues or bias fights in some articles are equivalent to the concept of Wikipedia being proprietary?
Re:OpenAI Is Now Everything It Promised Not to Be: Closed-So...
by mellosouls on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @11:46AM
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No, my point was that the examples given are not free of significant problems - which generally seem to emerge at scale. I'm an admirer of all the projects named (also OpenAI) in principle, despite their flaws.
Re:OpenAI Is Now Everything It Promised Not to Be: Closed-So...
by throwaway290 on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @05:59AM
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Also almost every big open-source project? ffmpeg?
OAI is not bad for being for profit, it is bad for the bait and switch. They started off with "Open" and still have it in their name even as they turned into the next Microsoft.
Re:OpenAI Is Now Everything It Promised Not to Be: Closed-So...
by toyg on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @09:24AM
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Most F/OSS projects result in commercial exploitation, one way or another. Virtuous exceptions are very very few.
> OAI is not bad for being for profit, it is bad for the bait and switch.
The bait-and-switch examples in F/OSS are legion, typically via license changes and occasionally via non-changes going against the spirit of the community (like Linux sticking to GPLv2). Most are not as blatant as IMDB pulling up the drawbridge, but something like moving to "open core" once popularity is achieved.