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Re:The End of the English Major by ryandrake on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @12:26PM (#34972074)
Whether happy or not, an English major would know that it "raises the question" not "begs the question."
Re:The End of the English Major by SketchySeaBeast on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @12:42PM (#34972317)
I don't think pendantry is a required course anymore.
Re:The End of the English Major by ryandrake on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @01:00PM (#34972542)
Sorry, absolutely not intending to call you in particular out. I know that correct usage, grammar, and spelling are lost causes on the Internet, but it's always more amusing when the root topics of the article are things like humanities and English majors.
Re:The End of the English Major by spaced-out on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @12:34PM (#34972187)
"Begs the question" is an idiomatic phrase in English that works in that context.
Re:The End of the English Major by djkivi on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @01:14PM (#34972719)
For all intensive purposes, "begs the question" is acceptable these days.
Re:The End of the English Major by ryandrake on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @01:24PM (#34972852)
"Queue" the language prescriptivists! We need to be "weary" of these folks. They are just trying to "flout" their English knowledge. Don't let them "effect" you. Personally, I'm "bemused" of all this. This "could of" been a good thread, too.
Re:The End of the English Major by djkivi on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @01:34PM (#34972975)
I expect English majors might be nonplussed by this thread.
Re:The End of the English Major by ryandrake on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @01:36PM (#34973013)
They're keeping the discussion "on read".
Re:The End of the English Major by somenameforme on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @01:29PM (#34972915)
Languages change, especially idioms. The objection here doesn't even make any sense, since begging the question is grammatically and logically reasonable. I accept "I could care less" with some disdain, but at least there there's a reason to oppose the change.
Re:The End of the English Major by branweb on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @04:14PM (#34974948)
It does make sense. "Begging the question" is a term of art from philosophy meaning to assume the thing you set out to prove--e.g. God exists because the Bible says so, and the Bible must be right because it is the literal word of God.

This shift towards using the phrase to mean "raise the question" makes it harder for a writer to tag a claim as being guilty of that particular logical fallacy.

But your first point is right: language changes, and we have to accept new usages, even bad ones.

Re:The End of the English Major by dragonwriter on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @05:16PM (#34975696)
> This shift towards using the phrase to mean "raise the question" makes it harder for a writer to tag a claim as being guilty of that particular logical fallacy.

No, it doesn't; the petitio principii fallacy sense is inherently intransitive in structure (with no direct object), the “raises the question” sense is necessarily transitive (has a direct object, specifically, the question raised). They are unambiguous (and the intransitive sense cam be rationalized as a special case of the transitibe sense where the unstated object is the justification for the original claim, which is convenient since otherwise that sense is completely opaque in terms of any relation between the constituent words in current English and the meaning of the phrase.)

Re:The End of the English Major by branweb on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @04:31PM (#34988628)
So put more simply, what you're saying is that the reader can tell by the context. When the writer says "this begs the question", if that phrase is followed by an actual question, the reader knows the writer is using it in the newer sense. If it isn't, the reader knows the writer meant it in the older, logical fallacy sense. I understand that. My claim that it makes it harder still stands. The reader must use context to determine meaning when he didn't have to before.