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Re:Lawsuits Block Thousands of Seattle Homes, $39M for Affor... by vel0city on Monday February 27, 2023 @05:45PM (#34963072)
I'm reminded of a recent housing development that was planned in the city where I live. They wanted to build a few hundred near zero-lot-line single family homes and townhouses. It was on land that was previously zoned industrial, so it required a pretty lengthy approval process.

The neighborhood next to it fought the proposed zoning changes. Too many houses near by, increasing traffic, too close to the creek, etc. Probably more likely they were worried about property valuations changing. Ultimately they got their way, and they never got past the planning stages for that neighborhood.

However, it didn't stop development on the property from continuing. Since it was already industrial, they went ahead and started building an ugly. massive, tilt wall warehouse on the property. It didn't need many reviews and got approvals very quickly.

So now instead of some nice houses, a park, and a few small retail spots to help increase the massively supply constrained housing stock in the area we're going to have a probably busy warehouse with large trucks coming and going constantly deep in the heart of what is otherwise a largely residential area. Nice going, NIMBYs. I bet that warehouse is going to help your property values quite a bit.

Re:Lawsuits Block Thousands of Seattle Homes, $39M for Affor... by panny on Monday February 27, 2023 @05:59PM (#34963209)
Low income housing is associated with more crime, but warehouses are not. The residents were probably satisfied with the result.
Re:Lawsuits Block Thousands of Seattle Homes, $39M for Affor... by vel0city on Monday February 27, 2023 @06:07PM (#34963312)
The houses planned in the example I gave started at $400k at the time of planning, with the nicest units going for probably close to $700k especially if you took all the builder options.
Re:Lawsuits Block Thousands of Seattle Homes, $39M for Affor... by zenburnmyface on Monday February 27, 2023 @06:26PM (#34963519)
Who said anything about low-income housing?
Re:Lawsuits Block Thousands of Seattle Homes, $39M for Affor... by notch898a on Monday February 27, 2023 @06:28PM (#34963556)
There are some unspoken things you may have to pick up on here. When people start "worrying about property values" that is standard code for something next to them being built/used for lower income people than them.
Re:Lawsuits Block Thousands of Seattle Homes, $39M for Affor... by vel0city on Monday February 27, 2023 @06:50PM (#34963769)
They were probably worried their 1980s houses next door would look bad in comparison to the much newer and modern houses going up the next neighborhood over.
Re:Lawsuits Block Thousands of Seattle Homes, $39M for Affor... by firsttimebigboy on Monday February 27, 2023 @06:15PM (#34963388)
correlation != causation.

Also, the residents were probably interested in increased property values, just like all home owners are.

Re:Lawsuits Block Thousands of Seattle Homes, $39M for Affor... by gotoeleven on Monday February 27, 2023 @06:51PM (#34963775)
Yes, take heart that the demographic characteristics of the guy that mugged you only correlated with criminality. The cause was probably systemic racism or the cishetereopatriarchy or hunger caused by food deserts.
Re:Lawsuits Block Thousands of Seattle Homes, $39M for Affor... by JeremyNT on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @11:44AM (#34971443)
> The neighborhood next to it fought the proposed zoning changes. Too many houses near by, increasing traffic, too close to the creek, etc. Probably more likely they were worried about property valuations changing.

I see people assuming this a lot but I really think it's in bad faith.

There are plenty of reasons to oppose unbridled development that have nothing to do with property values. Some people like where they live and moved there because of what it was. The idea of an area becoming something totally different might understandably be problematic to them.

The traffic concerns especially resonate with me, as I currently live in a place that has few sidewalks and no effective public transit - previously "walkable" neighborhoods are no more as their density increased and they are flooded with cars.

Maybe as a society we can reasonably decide that such real concerns do not outweigh the benefits that may come if we increase density, but not everybody chooses where to live or what to advocate for based purely on financial concerns, and to dismiss those other concerns does a disservice to their points of view.