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Re:Most Data Work Seems Fundamentally Worthless by dogleash on Monday February 27, 2023 @11:43AM (#34958582)
>I find it strange that AI/ML people would avoid "adtech for ethical reasons".

You founded and run an advertising company. Are you taking the piss? Surely you've aware of the ethical issues even if you don't give a fuck about them.

Or are you just saying you categorically expect AI/ML people's interest in the tech and/or money to override the ethics?

Re:Most Data Work Seems Fundamentally Worthless by arbuge on Monday February 27, 2023 @12:25PM (#34959219)
Are we doing ad hominem attacks now?

Perhaps we can start from the points I'm making and assess them on their own merits instead?

Re:Most Data Work Seems Fundamentally Worthless by dogleash on Monday February 27, 2023 @01:33PM (#34960144)
> Are we doing ad hominem attacks now?

Nope. I'm not bringing up your professional work to disagree with a position you're advancing. I'm trying to understand your perspective.

>Perhaps we can start from the points I'm making and assess them on their own merits instead?

As far as I can tell, the points you made are:

A) It's strange people make moral choices to stay out of advertising.

B) Advertisement could be more targeted.

B is boring and I don't care.

A isn't really a point with merits to be debated.

I enjoy eating meat. But I don't call it "strange" everytime someone turns out to be vegetarian. I understand why they refrain from eating meat. It's not like I disavow the existence of the question of "should we eat meat?". I just disagree.

The existence of ethical questions around advertising, and surveillance-driven advertising in particular, isn't really up for debate is it? The answers to those questions have been a topic of argument on this very website for at least a decade.

What I'm asking is: when it's so obvious that there exists a sizable number of people who have a moral stance against something, why would you find it "strange" that someone you know very little about might avoid it?

Re:Most Data Work Seems Fundamentally Worthless by arbuge on Monday February 27, 2023 @01:58PM (#34960452)
> B is boring and I don't care. A isn't really a point with merits to be debated.

Pretty much the exact opposite of what I said...

> I enjoy eating meat. But I don't call it "strange" everytime someone turns out to be vegetarian.

Um, neither do I.

Do you actually have any points to make here? Besides the ad hominem attack I mean?

Re:Most Data Work Seems Fundamentally Worthless by bigbillheck on Monday February 27, 2023 @06:42PM (#34963690)
> ad hominem

Be careful before you start tossing around the Latin, someone might hit you with a 'cui bono?'.