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Re:Help! Is This Arabic? by Galanwe on Sunday February 26, 2023 @10:08PM (#34952475)
I would be careful linking "Muslims" and "Arabic readers/speakers".

I know Muslims who would be challenged to speak more than 3 words of Arabic, as well as Arabic speakers who are Christians or atheists.

Re:Help! Is This Arabic? by randommar on Sunday February 26, 2023 @10:36PM (#34952649)
i think every muslim can speaks more than 3 words, every muslim known what al fatiha is. that's 25 words.
Re:Help! Is This Arabic? by riffraff on Monday February 27, 2023 @12:56AM (#34953505)
I'm completely ignorant of Muslim culture but there was a time where Catholics recited prayers and liturgy in latin and plenty of practitioners recited the sounds without really understanding them.

Source: my grand aunts saying "arapreme" where "ora pro nobis" would go (the former kinda sounds like an Italian word). Also probably related, "hocus pocus" is the "magic" expression "hoc est corpus" ("this is the body [of Christ]").

Re:Help! Is This Arabic? by xbmcuser on Monday February 27, 2023 @01:28AM (#34953670)
Learning how to read and pronounce arabic properly is part of the religion. As all prayers etc are in Arabic and you are supposed to recite them in arabic not a translation and wrong pronunciation can change the meaning so they are strict about teaching proper pronunciation. Though I agree with you about the 2 billion number being incorrect but it was being used a turn of phrase not an accurate number.
Re:Help! Is This Arabic? by wruza on Monday February 27, 2023 @02:34AM (#34953976)
Not everywhere. I live in an islamic region (around 40%). Religious quotes in every other home, but maybe 2-3% of people know at least some arabic letters, not to mention words. You learn it only if you learn at madrasah or are hardcore muslim (not as in extremism, but as in taking it seriously). After you learn it, you have to listen to popular interpreters, because Quran is still hard to get right on your own.
Re:Help! Is This Arabic? by neoberg on Monday February 27, 2023 @03:40AM (#34954305)
I grew up in a Muslim environment and I know al fatiha and more. But I don't understand a single word of it or can't tell if what I recited is a word or a whole sentece. I believe 99% of the population in my country are the same. Also we can't read Arabic script.
Re:Help! Is This Arabic? by throwaway2203 on Monday February 27, 2023 @10:30AM (#34957518)
What country did you grow up in? We all don't speak arabic but can fluently read the script.
Re:Help! Is This Arabic? by neoberg on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @07:54AM (#34968726)
Turkey
Re:Help! Is This Arabic? by Galanwe on Monday February 27, 2023 @04:48AM (#34954648)
In my surroundings I would say roughly 90% of people reciting al fatiha do so based on sounds learnt by heart, they would hardly be able to explain the meaning of these individual sounds.
Re:Help! Is This Arabic? by mytailorisrich on Monday February 27, 2023 @05:46AM (#34954967)
The only assumption is that Muslims may, on average, be able to "read the Arabic alphabet to some degree". Obviously 'some degree' makes it very variable, does not imply being able to really read/write/speak.

I don't know if it's true but that does not seem unreasonable.

Re:Help! Is This Arabic? by Galanwe on Monday February 27, 2023 @06:09AM (#34955132)
> I don't know if it's true

> that does not seem unreasonable.

My point is that what seems reasonable to someone that doesn't know anything about the subject means nothing, and could even end up being somewhat offensive.

Try to reverse the logic and realize how absurd it would look to you: say a guy in middle east wanted to roughly estimate the number of Latin speakers and made the assumption that it should roughly be the same as Catholics.

Wikipedia says there's ~2 billion muslims, and 400 millions Arabic-dialect speakers (native and non native). So on average 20% of muslims are able to understand basic arabic, I expect that not even half of those would be able to read and understand classical Arabic such as written in Quran.

Re:Help! Is This Arabic? by mytailorisrich on Monday February 27, 2023 @06:20AM (#34955185)
Again, the assumption was not that Muslims are Arabic speakers...
Re:Help! Is This Arabic? by poulpy123 on Monday February 27, 2023 @07:50AM (#34955801)
if all catholics were taught the bible in latin, you could make the assumption (true or false but reasonable) that all catholics would be able to read latin to some degree.
Re:Help! Is This Arabic? by poulpy123 on Monday February 27, 2023 @07:48AM (#34955780)
Coran is traditionnaly taught in arabic even in non arab countries. Also I have no idea how these country can read or decipher arabic in general, I can guess where these number come from