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Re:Making Go telemetry opt-in is a mistake by UncleEntity on Sunday February 26, 2023 @09:10AM (#34945650)
Reminds me of the whole walrus operator python thing.

People were using it, they took it away (IIRC, could be wrong about that), people whined, they brought it back as an explicit operator, people really whined and the BDFL walked away.

Telemetry would have told them what exactly?

Re:Making Go telemetry opt-in is a mistake by Kwpolska on Sunday February 26, 2023 @09:59AM (#34946028)
The walrus operator did not exist before 3.8, there was no real alternative before. The backlash was from people who dislike the idea and would prefer Python didn't add it.
Re:Making Go telemetry opt-in is a mistake by UncleEntity on Sunday February 26, 2023 @10:20AM (#34946183)
The operator didn’t exist but the functionality did. It was just a side effect of python’s wonky variable scoping which they gave an operator.

I’m not familiar with how it works now but the example I remember was the variables escaping from list comprehension statements, like:

  x = [y for y in z]
  if y != z[-1]:
    bad_stuff_happened()
Or something like that, maybe I’m wrong, honestly never had a use for the walrus.
Re:Making Go telemetry opt-in is a mistake by Kwpolska on Sunday February 26, 2023 @01:32PM (#34947991)
Python’s scoping rules are wonky, but the walrus is generally useful in two cases. The first one is to define a variable in an `if` and only run the contents of the `if` if the variable is truey — for example, re.search returns a Match object or None:

    if (m := re.search("regex is(n't)? fun")):
        print("there was a match")
        # do something with m
The other would be defining a variable in the `if` clause of a list comprehension and using it in the output (which is not necessary in languages where map/filter is a first-class citizen, because you could just map before you filter):

    [y for x in xs if (y := f(x)) == 5]
I can’t think of a way to define a variable in either of those cases without using the walrus and without significantly extending the code (you can define the `m` object and then do `if m:` on two lines, or you can nest two list comprehensions).
Re:Making Go telemetry opt-in is a mistake by Dagger2 on Sunday February 26, 2023 @01:56PM (#34948237)
There's also:

  while data := fh.read(131072):
    # do stuff
which is a lot nicer than:

  while True:
    data = fh.read()
    if not data: break
    # do stuff